McCynic-- you are right. The spoilers and pics are very heavily pointing to an A/I wedding. So, there we have it (most likely, anyway).
So, I've got some stuff to say... I'll just dive right in then.
I do not want an A/I wedding. Plain and simple. For the following reasons--
1- I think MerDer are the only couple ready for marriage.
2- So, yes, you can deduce from #1 that I don't think A/I are ready for marriage.
3- I think Alex is in love w/ Izzie. I do believe that Izzie loves Alex, but I don't believe she is in love with him. If she is, we certainly haven't heard it yet, but who knows? maybe we will soon.
4- To quote one of my favorite posters on Insider, TDS, who thinks "Izzie is annoying, but she is tolerable with him because she isn't hysterical all the time spouting ridiculous speeches and when she starts in on one he kisses her to shut her up." (I'll be quoting a few posters here, just to counter-argue). I actually think that high energy, annoying (if that's the word you want), long, ridiculous speech-spouting Izzie is amazing!!! I love her!! And that is the true Izzie to me. Some fans may say that she has grown this season (I think she will definitely have had to after having gone through so much), but I have found Izzie to be lonely and sad and not herself this season. Mostly probably due to her illness and not having too much time with her BFF this season and being completely ignored in many ways by the rest of the fab 5. And as for Alex kissing her to get her to stop spouting-- it always seems to me like a squelching of the true spirit of Izzie. Leading to the next reason...
5- Alex is so in love with Izzie, but it sometimes it seems like he's in love with who he wants Izzie to be or who he wants Izzie to be for him. And Izzie is such a giving, caring person, she wants Alex to have what he needs, what makes him happy. But this one-sidedness is dangerous in a marriage. I don't believe that Alex is what Izzie needs to be happy.
6- To quote Greenlee (another poster) "Izzie was sleeping with her dead fiance. Be it all in her head - she was actually IN LOVE with dead Denny for half the season!" period.
7- Going back to the first epi of the season and Mer's VO and the "dream" scene of Denny and Iz walking off into the light and then Iz looks over and sees Alex, TDS says "The season premiere was all about fairy tale vs. reality. When Izzie "dreams" of seeing Denny and walking into the light, the voiceover says something about reality being messy but much more interesting than a fairy tale or fantasy (paraphrasing) and then she looks over and there is her messy reality: Alex" I do agree with you, TDS, that Iz never really got a chance to have the relationship w/ Denny and so she may pin these unrealistic fairy tale fantasies on him, BUT I think Alex as a reality for her is ENTIRELY TOO MESSY. Bottom line for me (& I will reiterate what I have said before-- I do love the character of Alex-- I AM an Alex fan, just not an A/I fan)-- I really don't think Alex is enough for Izzie. I don't think she's entirely free to be herself with him. Some of their fights are too nasty a reality for my taste and I don't think he brings out the real true Izzie. And honestly? I love Izzie-- I want her to have her fairy tale. Everyone should have their fairy tale ending :)
OK, so, now that I've written a 100 miles long post-- there it is. JMO, of course-- MO of Alex and Izzie together. It's not meant to bash their fans or make anyone mad. It is what it is. A/I fans ought to enjoy these moments, actually :) I know I would if it were my Gizzie. :)
I'll finally leave w/ this one last thought-- Shonda said the 100th epi would be a love letter to fans. If an A/I wedding is her idea of a love letter to fans, this fan sees it more like hate mail!! hahaha!!!
Oh, and don't get too secure A/I fans, b/c I don't believe that Shonda is too emotionally invested in the couple herself. And even if she is, she is Shonda and she doesn't like everyone to be too happy for too long.
Greysaddiction, you knew it would be right? :) I don’t know how I can love A/I so much when I really don’t like Izzie that much. I guess it is because Alex is my favorite character and its clear that Izzie makes him happier than anyone else and I want him to be happy (I actually loved him with Addison).
Anyway, I don’t think that Izzie is kind and compassionate, at least not usually. She has been extremely judgmental of patients (Savvy, the woman with the quints, to name 2), she has been judgmental of her friends and hypocritical (she got mad at Cristina because of Tremorgate not long after she stole a heart and cut an LVAD). She has been disrespectful to her best friend George (everything having to do with Callie but especially the crack about her small ring). She has been downright mean, insensitive and/or dismissive of Alex, Callie and George (too many examples to name). Every character on the show has flaws, but Izzie’s biggest, in my opinion, is that she has almost NO self-awareness. Izzie wants something, does whatever she wants to get it and then says its not fair when there are negative consequences.
So while I liked Denny (when he was alive) and I love George, I found Izzie to be completely unlikable when was with them romantically. Here is a girl who worked her way out of a trailer park and into med school, by posing in her underwear and she has a chip on her shoulder about not being taken seriously. She meets Denny, knows him for a matter of weeks and was willing to throw all of that away in the name of love. That’s unhealthy to me. She went out of her mind him and bullied him into getting the medical care that she wanted him to have despite what he wanted for himself (“What about meeeeee???!!!”). She put her career and the careers of her friends at risk for the hope of some idealized future with a man that she barely knew. Then when she was unbelievably allowed back into the program, she WHINED because she had to go to counseling and had to be supervised. I saw no real concern for the man whose heart she stole or any real acknowledgement of what her friends did for her (especially Alex).
When she was with George it was the same thing. She practically crucified Alex for sleeping with Olivia when they were not exclusive and yet when she herself slept with a married man, she suggested that God approved. Are you kidding me? Then she bullied and harassed George about telling Callie, and badgered him while he was trying to work on his marriage and his career at Mercy West. She was constantly bursting into tears and spouting off about their love being like a rare bird and Bambi. When her friends and colleagues weren’t completely thrilled for her new found love with George, she just didn’t understand. She had the nerve to compare her affair with Cristina and Burke and was deluded enough to tell Alex of all people and thought he would be happy for her. She then made a fool of herself trying to fight Callie and threw George under the bus with his mother. She justified everything she did by saying she was in love. Again, very unhealthy to me. At the end of the day, none of her speeches or hysterics brought her any kind of lasting happiness with either Denny or George, but a man died and a marriage was destroyed. These things may have happened anyway, but her behavior certainly helped them along.
It remains to be seen whether or not she will find lasting happiness with Alex, but in the meantime, I as a viewer, can stand to have her on my screen again. In my opinion, Alex is the only one that she can’t bully or walk all over. I do think that he loves her for her true self. While Denny gets the credit for not treating her like a pretty girl, it was Alex who told her that if she got rid of her rack, it would be ok because he really just wants her (while Denny talked constantly about her hotness, her boobs and dirty Scrabble.) Alex has been there for her through Denny and George (even if it wasn’t always enthusiastically) and he has known what to do when she feels down about her career (like with the Chakra lady) or is having a crappy day. He tells her the truth when no one else will and doesn’t buy into her self-pity. I will admit that I wish that she would hurry up and express her feelings to him, but I think that will be coming soon.
I think that Alex is just what Izzie needs to keep her grounded and likeable. It may just be a coincidence of the writing, but Izzie is calmer, a better friend and a better doctor when she is with Alex. Just my opinion. And I realize that Alex is hardly a saint, but he knows he is a jerk and even when he does something that I don't like, I can usually understand why he does it.
Greysaddiction, our views of Izzie probably influence the couples that we like and our own personalities and tastes influence our views of Izzie as well. But I think that is a good thing that we don’t all see things the same! Sorry for the length of the post. I guess this was more about Izzie than A/I, but it does explain my feelings on their relationship.
I loved Alex with Addison too! See, something we can agree upon 100%!!! :) I thought Alex brought out something in Addie that we had never seen before (that Mark didn't bring out in her nor Derek, or anyone else, for that matter) and I think Addie could have been very good for Alex... So, maybe I'll round back to this by the end of my post-- who knows?
First of all I want to start by saying that I have no delusions (and never have or would have wanted to) that Izzie is a perfect character/person. I am completely aware that she can be very selfish at times, and sometimes downright nasty. You have laid out some of Izzie's "finest" (sarcastic) moments here-- lol!!! But, you see-- these are part of why I love Izzie. And yes, even after seeing all your reminders of her "finest" moments, I still would call Izzie a very caring and compassionate person. She has many layers-- quite the bloomin' little onion!! ;) And caring and compassionate are big layers in there too.
So, I could respond to your post item by item, but there's really no need for me to. What I love about Izzie is that she does have all those layers. I love every place that she is flawed (and even the painful repercussions of those flaws) and I love her long, crazy speeches and her quirkiness and her crazy optimism and all that!! She as a reality (to somewhat tie back to 5.1 and Mer's VO) is very messy... and I love it all. I love Izzie as Izzie is. (This many layered thing is also why I love Alex-- he has so many layers too-- some you might hate, some you love, some you think are annoying, some you think give him potential--- these are things that Izzie saw in him before anyone else did and why I think they are good friends and her ability to see these things in him is why he can be a better version of himself when he's talking to Iz-- I don't deny that at all).
So, all of this being said-- do I love all the things my multi-layered Izzie has done? No--- And now I will only delve into two (b/c again, I don't have any need to go item by item, but these two are the ones significant enough to me to mention). First of all, cutting the LVAD. Absolutely the worst thing that Izzie ever did, emotionally, morally and professionally, EVER. Terrible, awful-- Izzie's darkest moment, I think. That's all I'm gonna say about it. I could write a book about it and the after effects and all that, if I let myself ;). Two-- the affair. Now, as a Gizzie fan, I must say we as Gizzie fans are EXHAUSTED of hearing about how morally apprehensible this was. UGH! But I will comment, b/c it warrants a comment. Most of the Gizzie fans I know (myself included) DO NOT condone the affair. We think it was awful and unfair and morally wrong. What we do believe in and love is Gizzie love. Now, you want to talk about how awful George & Iz were for the affair-- there were SO many affairs that fans don't find disgusting or blame constantly about-- MerDer Sloan Alex Ava... people don't hammer away at all of them constantly for it. You know why? B/c George and Izzie's was the only affair that happened on the show where guilt and remorse WERE WRITTEN into the show. By showing the incredible guilt and remorse that they both felt, especially George, it pointed out repeatedly to the fans their terrible moral mistake and so everyone harps on it all the time. George showed a TON of guilt. Izzie's "god's will" speech was her trying to work through the guilt (that's how I saw it) and then their so-called "chemistry" problems afterward were all results of guilt. Did I believe in their affair? NO. Did I believe in their love? ABSOLUTELY.
Anyway, my post wasn't about Izzie being perfect before she was w/ Alex. I know she's not. And love that about her. And my point wasn't even in trying to prove she was better w/ George or Denny (I wasn't gonna go there :) My point was that Izzie has not been like herself at all all season and since she's been romantically paired w/ Alex.
So, I'll wrap up now b/c I have to take my son to school. If there's major sp/grammar issues-- I'm sorry!
I hope you see what I'm trying to say now-- and I'm quite sure that in the end we will have to just agree to disagree!
Well, Greysaddiction - hopefully Private Practice will get canceled, Addison will come back and Addisex will once again rule the airwaves - then we'll both be happy! LOL! (Of course, Alex might not be but thats ok)
I was probably a little too harsh on Izzie in my post. I loved her in S1 and most of S2 and when she is funny and goofy and domestic I really like her. I just don't like her angsty I guess. For example, I am really looking forward to her manic planning for Mer's wedding-a-palooza.
Also, I think that Shonda sets some characters up as the "good" shiny characters (Derek, Izzie, George) and the "bad" twisty characters (Alex, Mer and Cris). I just happen to relate more to the dark and twisty ones I guess or at least find them more interesting. (Although I love George).
Also, for the record, I can completely understand why people don't like Alex or Alex/Izzie. He can be a complete jerk and very cruel sometimes. (I do think the accusation of abusive goes WAY too far though). And they have hurled some cruel remarks at one another through the seasons. I guess I just like that love/hate/Wuthering Heights type relationship. (In real life my husband is very nice and nothing like Alex, but in my tv "fantasy" life I do like the bad boy:)
Finally, although I don't condone adultery, the G/I one night stand didn't bother me so much as the aftermath of it. Unfortunately Shonda seems to equate adultery with love or something and therefore just about every character has to experience it, not just G/I. I think the one difference here is that viewers had gotten to know (and maybe like) Callie whereas we didn't know Addison and Mark right away and didn't really know Ava's husband, so a regular character was seen getting hurt on the show, not just some person off-screen. That may have a lot to do with how their relationship was viewed. Shonda did G/I and their fans a real disservice by starting their relationship off that way and I'm not really sure what her reasoning behind it was. She should have never had George marry Callie if G/I was her plan. Just like she never should have gotten A/I back together just to bring in Denny. Ugh.
Anyway, I completely understand your points and we can agree to disagree without calling each other names or bad feelings. See? It can be done!
Also, as much as I am excited for the prospect of a wedding, I am dreading it also. It is too soon for them and you know that Shonda won't allow anybody (esp. Alex or Izzie) happiness for long without bringing down a load of disaster on them.
TDS--
Ah, yes-- Addie can come back to SGH! That's it! All is solved! ;)
I agree that the audience knowing and caring about Callie made a huge difference in how Gizzie's adultery was viewed as opposed to the others'. But, as I said b/f, TPTB also seemed to write a lot of remorse into it as well-- probably b/c of the fans' concern for Callie.
you wrote:
"Shonda did G/I and their fans a real disservice by starting their relationship off that way and I'm not really sure what her reasoning behind it was. She should have never had George marry Callie if G/I was her plan. Just like she never should have gotten A/I back together just to bring in Denny. Ugh."
Beautifully said. That is the pain that Shonda directly struck us Gizzie fans with-- that is the pain we feel. The really crappy part about it is that every once in a while she likes to twist the knife a bit too. Eeerrrggghhh! (this is where I'd like to insert one of those little angry face emoticons!!) But, thankfully for us, she also shows some glimpses now and then that she may still have a little torch burning for the Gizzie friendship, at least. That, of course, keeps us hoping....
you also wrote:
"Also, as much as I am excited for the prospect of a wedding, I am dreading it also. It is too soon for them and you know that Shonda won't allow anybody (esp. Alex or Izzie) happiness for long without bringing down a load of disaster on them."
You seem very down-to-earth about this wedding and to have a very wise, untrusting view of Shonda & Co. in this whole storyline... you are wise here. B/c of this, if she drops the A/I fans hard, you will not fall quite so hard as the rest. But you can still savor every moment of the ride until it stops!
You know, I sometimes wonder if Shonda really has regard for the fans at all-- ???
So, I admit, I didn't read all of the TDS/Greysaddict conversation, but I just wanted to add my two cents.
I actually completely disagree with both of them, if that is even possible because they also seem to completely disagree with each other.
First of all, I love Izzie. I think she's going through a tough time (we all have) and needs Alex more than ever right now.
Also, I'm pretty sure that Alex has been in love with her for the entire show (keep in mind that this is coming from an A/I fan, so I may have interpreted some scenes differently from people for other ships), and I'm so happy to finally see them together.
Third, I have to admit I've never actually watched an Alex/Addison kiss. I always end up shutting my eyes before they happen. And I started doing that before I became a Lexzie fan. I've just never liked them, which is weird, because I love both of them separately.
Fourth, I agree that Alex has been more involved in this relationship than Izzie has been for most of this season. I think that's partially because those are just the scenes that we get shown, and because (as I stated above) she's just having a hard year.
Fifth (I'm sorry if this isn't a terribly coherent post - I'm very tired) I think if you re-watch some of the earlier episodes from this season right after Izzie and Alex got together and right before Denny showed up, you'll find that Izzie to be a lot more like the old Izzie than she is now. Therefore, I think that it was Denny who messed with our Izzie, not Alex. They've been together before and it didn't change her, but having your dead fiance follow you around - that would freak anyone out.
Sixth: This point is a bit off topic, but, here it goes. It is a T.V. show, and there isn't necessarily logic involved, so it's really hard to know who would be happy with whom. It really has more to do with Shonda and the other writer's perception of the situation than anything else.
One last comment: I find this whole issue to be very interesting. There isn't this much controversy over most other TV pairings (at least on shows that I watch), because it's usually set up in such a way that it is clear who is supposed to be with who, but that isn't true for either Alex or Izzie, so everyone has formed their own opinion. And, as frustrating as it is that we have no idea how all of this will actually work out, I find all of these differing opinions and the reasons behind them to be very interesting :)
Okay, I have to go. Sorry for the length of the post. It's mostly just rambling, but I hope I got my ideas/points across.
There wasn't much of a point to it all, except to provide a completely different perspective of the situation.
As for the wedding, I'm just hoping (as always)that Shonda knows what she's doing. She usually does a pretty good job :D
Kate.321-- I totally agree w/ you that Alex is in love with Izzie (if you do end up reading back to the beginning of mine and TDS's conversation, you'll see that I said it back then)... I wouldn't go as far as you to say he's always been, from the beginning, but I do agree 100% now that he's in love w/ her. I just don't think that she's in love w/ him (although I do believe she does love him on some level). But a lot of that is where the Gizzie fan VS A/I fan line is drawn-- we have to just agree to disagree on that point b/c that is one of the big fundamentals we'll never see eye-to-eye on!!
You wrote: "There isn't this much controversy over most other TV pairings (at least on shows that I watch), because it's usually set up in such a way that it is clear who is supposed to be with who, but that isn't true for either Alex or Izzie, so everyone has formed their own opinion. And, as frustrating as it is that we have no idea how all of this will actually work out, I find all of these differing opinions and the reasons behind them to be very interesting :)"
You are SO right! That's what makes it SO interesting!!! But you won't find too many Gizzie fans who are willing to discuss w/o getting upset, b/c some fans in the past (and a small # mostly on other sites now) have been brutally nasty to Gizzie fans and/or George fans. Also, Gizzie fans have been put through the ringer by Shonda & Co. and many Gizzie fans are still die-hard fans, but very weary of battling about it, and also weary of wondering what's to come next on the show for George and for Gizzie.
I have one more point about that statement I quoted you on-- it does make it interesting not knowing who TPTB want to be with who.... but it also makes it insanely frustrating when you ship one of the couples! Sometimes, quite honestly, it feels like Shonda is playing us all. We are marionettes and she is up above pulling the strings and man, that can get to be annoying at times!!! (yes, it IS just a TV show, but my fave and my one true distraction from everyday life)
I once saw an old clip of Shonda talking about how she created the characters... she said the 5 interns were pieces of her, facets of her personality. And then the "dreamy men"-- at the time, Der, Burke & Sloan were all the types of men she'd be interested in, would love to love.
Hmmmm.... chew on that for a bit!
If that's the case, then I can't see how she could get rid of either Izzie or George or any of the fab 5, then, can she?
I agree Kate.321 that Izzie's love life is definitely cause for controversy. I find it interesting as well and who a peson wants her to be with may depend a lot on the type of fictional romances that a person likes and the type of character someone is drawn to. It seems as though Gizzie fans and A/I fans see very different things when it comes to what Shonda's intentions regarding Izzie's love life are.
I am very much of the opinion that Shonda has absolutely no grand plan for the show and that she starts storylines that she thinks will be shocking! and as a result she doesn't always think things through. I also think that the backstage stuff (of which Grey's has way too much), affects storylines as much as anything else. It affected Alex/Addison, Cristina/Burke and now may affect both Gizzie and A/I. So while Shonda pretends that everything happens for a reason, I don't believe it for a second.
If Gizzie were endgame, why have them start their relationship while George was married to a regular character? If A/I are endgame, why bring Denny back to make it seem like Alex is 2nd choice? I just think that Shonda instincts aren't so good and she goes for the unexpected and shocking rather than good, in character storylines. She puts plot over character again and again. How she thought that fans would love seeing the interns cut themselves or Denny appearing from the dead 3 seasons after he was a real character on the show, is beyond me.
Anyway, I do hope that we get some real insight into Izzie's feelings for Alex in the next few episodes. I am convinced that Denny is coming back at least once, but I can only hope it is so Izzie can finally shut the door on that relationship once and for all and fully and enthusiastically commit to Alex. She told Denny that Alex made her happy and the optimist in me believes that fact that she hasn't told Alex that she loves him yet means that this time it is different. We'll see.
My hope is that if KH is staying for the next 2 seasons, even as a recurring character, that she and Alex will stay together. Not that they won't have their fights and obstacles, but Izzie has supposedly loved 3 men in the course of about a year and half in the show's warped timeline and to have her move on yet again, will just be unbelievable to me. But I have learned that it is better to expect the worst and hope for the best when it comes to this show.
lety Says:
April 19th, 2009 7:15 PM
Izzie and george were always just friends, even when they had a romantic relationship they found out they were just friends that was the whole point of the show dealing with that, to get it out of the way. izzie never wontonly looked back at george in that way. she was lonely and he was trying to get out of a marriage that was a mistake in the first place it was convenient and safe and might i add alcohol induced. when it was all over said and done with they found out it wasn't any deeper than that. which was possibly the point. Alex and izzie definitely makes more sense on paper.
TDS writes:
"am very much of the opinion that Shonda has absolutely no grand plan for the show and that she starts storylines that she thinks will be shocking! and as a result she doesn't always think things through.
...
I just think that Shonda instincts aren't so good and she goes for the unexpected and shocking rather than good, in character storylines. She puts plot over character again and again."
I agree 100% TDS!!! I don't think she thinks of an endgame for her characters' couples. I think she thinks up stories, gets excited, wants to put them into action and then doesn't necessarily think about the consequences (as in the fans' reactions, but also where the characters will go from there). I've actually come to the conclusion (obviously a very subjective type of conclusion)... I guess more of an opinion that Shonda doesn't believe in lasting love. Interesting to see how her pledge to keep MerDer together will work out. (I ship MerDer, so I hope it will).
Anyway, those are my thoughts on Shonda and the couples stuff. I could go into more about Gizzie, but I won't at this post (I'll post a second post but responding to lety) All I will say is that I still believe in Gizzie love. And I do believe that Shonda wished them to be together at some point. Do I think she thought through what the fans' reactions would be to the how? nope. But then again, as Chandra Wilson said in the first installment of Ask Greys... who knows what goes on and where characters go in Shonda Land? ;)
As for all of you A/I fans-- looks like your dreams are going to come true soon. Do we know if they are lasting dreams? No. But you sure as heck can enjoy them while they last!! :)
you wrote:
"Alex and izzie definitely makes more sense on paper"
I will just comment that you are not doing your couple or your fellow A/I fans any justice in that uninspired comment!
As for the rest of what you wrote--
here's an excerpt from Chris Dan Vusen's blog (Grey's writers blog) on Grey Matter for the episode "My Favorite Mistake"
"Because… Izzie and George? They’ve got some intense feelings for each other, those two. It’s obvious. It’s amazing. There they are, in that linen closet, NOT DRUNK AT ALL, and it’s apparent that the sex – the really, really good sex – it could happen again – right then and right there."
....
"“Izzie and George sleep together,” our fearless leader said. “IZZIE AND GEORGE SLEEP TOGETHER!”
It was pretty amazing. It’s still pretty amazing. And, trust us, we’re taking Izzie and George to some pretty amazing places. Because, just like the theme of this episode, we have a plan.
We know you’re shocked. We hear you. Television watchers without pity: We get it. But, here’s the thing. You know who’s even more shocked than you? Izzie and George.
They didn’t see this coming. They didn’t mean for this to happen. I mean, they’re FRIENDS. They’re BEST friends. They spend most of their waking hours together. They have many things in common. They confide in each other. They look out for each other. They stick up for each other. They worry about each other. They care very deeply about each other.
Wait a minute.
Izzie and George are already in a freakin’ relationship! They’ve been in one for a really long time."
and for your viewing pleasure... no alcohol in the elevator:
it's a tv show and because i love to write myself,i can usually figure out plots and endings... my joy in watching isn't to get emotionally attached to the drama it's seeing how spot on it all is. as for my coomment about your gizzie my point was only that it was done to make a point. i'm sorry but guy-chick-friends that you gush to about everything usually fall for all of they'r gushing chick friends even in real life.And even in real life don't make good couples.
this one's for you! I think it'll make you laugh--
this is actually a Gizzie vid, but I won't torture you w/ Gizzie stuff (not my intention)...
Scroll to about 2:22-- the song says "she's a pain in the *ss" and the scene is George & Alex turning to look at Iz like she's crazy!! Anyway... kinda cute and ties right back into our discussion of Izzie and her "finest" moments! And how Alex and George just love that crazy woman!! :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeVGqmnKviM
:) Happy watching this week! New epi-- seems like it's been FOREVER coming! How much time do you think it's been in ShondaLand??? ;-)
Thanks - thats a cute video. I am a big fan of the Gizzie friendship, I just prefer her with Alex romantically.
Apparently there is going to be a big blowout between Alex and George this week. I had hoped that they would be able to work together for Izzie but I guess not. If they don't make up by the end, I may have to avoid the boards for awhile :)
LOL, TDS!! I know what you mean! But I'm not sure there's going to be a blow-out b/t them... all I read is that Alex freezes w/ a trauma patient and George rocks it. But I guess that could lead to a direct blow-out, considering the tension already b/t them about Iz being sick. I love them both and don't really want to see a blow-out, but maybe it needs to happen. I'd love to see them eventually come together to support Izzie.
With any luck and any hope, the internet wars won't be too bad.
I must say I am looking forward to George having a story. I just really hope that it doesn't end in his exit.
Fingers crossed that Shonda has an ounce of sanity left. And maybe a half an ounce of regard for the fans.
OMG, TDS-- after I wrote that above post, I saw the spoiler thread in the forum! I too, hope it doesn't cause too many Alex fan VS George fan wars on the web, but I think maybe it needs to be done-- they need to fight it out, I think. And you A/I fans will get your couple in the end. I just hope Shonda & Co. don't intend to ruin George in the process. He's my favorite, you know! :)
April 16th, 2009 1:40 PM
McCynic-- you are right. The spoilers and pics are very heavily pointing to an A/I wedding. So, there we have it (most likely, anyway).
So, I've got some stuff to say... I'll just dive right in then.
I do not want an A/I wedding. Plain and simple. For the following reasons--
1- I think MerDer are the only couple ready for marriage.
2- So, yes, you can deduce from #1 that I don't think A/I are ready for marriage.
3- I think Alex is in love w/ Izzie. I do believe that Izzie loves Alex, but I don't believe she is in love with him. If she is, we certainly haven't heard it yet, but who knows? maybe we will soon.
4- To quote one of my favorite posters on Insider, TDS, who thinks "Izzie is annoying, but she is tolerable with him because she isn't hysterical all the time spouting ridiculous speeches and when she starts in on one he kisses her to shut her up." (I'll be quoting a few posters here, just to counter-argue). I actually think that high energy, annoying (if that's the word you want), long, ridiculous speech-spouting Izzie is amazing!!! I love her!! And that is the true Izzie to me. Some fans may say that she has grown this season (I think she will definitely have had to after having gone through so much), but I have found Izzie to be lonely and sad and not herself this season. Mostly probably due to her illness and not having too much time with her BFF this season and being completely ignored in many ways by the rest of the fab 5. And as for Alex kissing her to get her to stop spouting-- it always seems to me like a squelching of the true spirit of Izzie. Leading to the next reason...
5- Alex is so in love with Izzie, but it sometimes it seems like he's in love with who he wants Izzie to be or who he wants Izzie to be for him. And Izzie is such a giving, caring person, she wants Alex to have what he needs, what makes him happy. But this one-sidedness is dangerous in a marriage. I don't believe that Alex is what Izzie needs to be happy.
6- To quote Greenlee (another poster) "Izzie was sleeping with her dead fiance. Be it all in her head - she was actually IN LOVE with dead Denny for half the season!" period.
7- Going back to the first epi of the season and Mer's VO and the "dream" scene of Denny and Iz walking off into the light and then Iz looks over and sees Alex, TDS says "The season premiere was all about fairy tale vs. reality. When Izzie "dreams" of seeing Denny and walking into the light, the voiceover says something about reality being messy but much more interesting than a fairy tale or fantasy (paraphrasing) and then she looks over and there is her messy reality: Alex" I do agree with you, TDS, that Iz never really got a chance to have the relationship w/ Denny and so she may pin these unrealistic fairy tale fantasies on him, BUT I think Alex as a reality for her is ENTIRELY TOO MESSY. Bottom line for me (& I will reiterate what I have said before-- I do love the character of Alex-- I AM an Alex fan, just not an A/I fan)-- I really don't think Alex is enough for Izzie. I don't think she's entirely free to be herself with him. Some of their fights are too nasty a reality for my taste and I don't think he brings out the real true Izzie. And honestly? I love Izzie-- I want her to have her fairy tale. Everyone should have their fairy tale ending :)
OK, so, now that I've written a 100 miles long post-- there it is. JMO, of course-- MO of Alex and Izzie together. It's not meant to bash their fans or make anyone mad. It is what it is. A/I fans ought to enjoy these moments, actually :) I know I would if it were my Gizzie. :)
I'll finally leave w/ this one last thought-- Shonda said the 100th epi would be a love letter to fans. If an A/I wedding is her idea of a love letter to fans, this fan sees it more like hate mail!! hahaha!!!
Oh, and don't get too secure A/I fans, b/c I don't believe that Shonda is too emotionally invested in the couple herself. And even if she is, she is Shonda and she doesn't like everyone to be too happy for too long.
That being said, enjoy it while it's here.
April 16th, 2009 3:49 PM
Greysaddiction, you knew it would be right? :) I don’t know how I can love A/I so much when I really don’t like Izzie that much. I guess it is because Alex is my favorite character and its clear that Izzie makes him happier than anyone else and I want him to be happy (I actually loved him with Addison).
Anyway, I don’t think that Izzie is kind and compassionate, at least not usually. She has been extremely judgmental of patients (Savvy, the woman with the quints, to name 2), she has been judgmental of her friends and hypocritical (she got mad at Cristina because of Tremorgate not long after she stole a heart and cut an LVAD). She has been disrespectful to her best friend George (everything having to do with Callie but especially the crack about her small ring). She has been downright mean, insensitive and/or dismissive of Alex, Callie and George (too many examples to name). Every character on the show has flaws, but Izzie’s biggest, in my opinion, is that she has almost NO self-awareness. Izzie wants something, does whatever she wants to get it and then says its not fair when there are negative consequences.
So while I liked Denny (when he was alive) and I love George, I found Izzie to be completely unlikable when was with them romantically. Here is a girl who worked her way out of a trailer park and into med school, by posing in her underwear and she has a chip on her shoulder about not being taken seriously. She meets Denny, knows him for a matter of weeks and was willing to throw all of that away in the name of love. That’s unhealthy to me. She went out of her mind him and bullied him into getting the medical care that she wanted him to have despite what he wanted for himself (“What about meeeeee???!!!”). She put her career and the careers of her friends at risk for the hope of some idealized future with a man that she barely knew. Then when she was unbelievably allowed back into the program, she WHINED because she had to go to counseling and had to be supervised. I saw no real concern for the man whose heart she stole or any real acknowledgement of what her friends did for her (especially Alex).
When she was with George it was the same thing. She practically crucified Alex for sleeping with Olivia when they were not exclusive and yet when she herself slept with a married man, she suggested that God approved. Are you kidding me? Then she bullied and harassed George about telling Callie, and badgered him while he was trying to work on his marriage and his career at Mercy West. She was constantly bursting into tears and spouting off about their love being like a rare bird and Bambi. When her friends and colleagues weren’t completely thrilled for her new found love with George, she just didn’t understand. She had the nerve to compare her affair with Cristina and Burke and was deluded enough to tell Alex of all people and thought he would be happy for her. She then made a fool of herself trying to fight Callie and threw George under the bus with his mother. She justified everything she did by saying she was in love. Again, very unhealthy to me. At the end of the day, none of her speeches or hysterics brought her any kind of lasting happiness with either Denny or George, but a man died and a marriage was destroyed. These things may have happened anyway, but her behavior certainly helped them along.
It remains to be seen whether or not she will find lasting happiness with Alex, but in the meantime, I as a viewer, can stand to have her on my screen again. In my opinion, Alex is the only one that she can’t bully or walk all over. I do think that he loves her for her true self. While Denny gets the credit for not treating her like a pretty girl, it was Alex who told her that if she got rid of her rack, it would be ok because he really just wants her (while Denny talked constantly about her hotness, her boobs and dirty Scrabble.) Alex has been there for her through Denny and George (even if it wasn’t always enthusiastically) and he has known what to do when she feels down about her career (like with the Chakra lady) or is having a crappy day. He tells her the truth when no one else will and doesn’t buy into her self-pity. I will admit that I wish that she would hurry up and express her feelings to him, but I think that will be coming soon.
I think that Alex is just what Izzie needs to keep her grounded and likeable. It may just be a coincidence of the writing, but Izzie is calmer, a better friend and a better doctor when she is with Alex. Just my opinion. And I realize that Alex is hardly a saint, but he knows he is a jerk and even when he does something that I don't like, I can usually understand why he does it.
Greysaddiction, our views of Izzie probably influence the couples that we like and our own personalities and tastes influence our views of Izzie as well. But I think that is a good thing that we don’t all see things the same! Sorry for the length of the post. I guess this was more about Izzie than A/I, but it does explain my feelings on their relationship.
April 16th, 2009 3:50 PM
That first line should be "you knew it would be ME right?"
April 17th, 2009 8:22 AM
TDS--
I loved Alex with Addison too! See, something we can agree upon 100%!!! :) I thought Alex brought out something in Addie that we had never seen before (that Mark didn't bring out in her nor Derek, or anyone else, for that matter) and I think Addie could have been very good for Alex... So, maybe I'll round back to this by the end of my post-- who knows?
First of all I want to start by saying that I have no delusions (and never have or would have wanted to) that Izzie is a perfect character/person. I am completely aware that she can be very selfish at times, and sometimes downright nasty. You have laid out some of Izzie's "finest" (sarcastic) moments here-- lol!!! But, you see-- these are part of why I love Izzie. And yes, even after seeing all your reminders of her "finest" moments, I still would call Izzie a very caring and compassionate person. She has many layers-- quite the bloomin' little onion!! ;) And caring and compassionate are big layers in there too.
So, I could respond to your post item by item, but there's really no need for me to. What I love about Izzie is that she does have all those layers. I love every place that she is flawed (and even the painful repercussions of those flaws) and I love her long, crazy speeches and her quirkiness and her crazy optimism and all that!! She as a reality (to somewhat tie back to 5.1 and Mer's VO) is very messy... and I love it all. I love Izzie as Izzie is. (This many layered thing is also why I love Alex-- he has so many layers too-- some you might hate, some you love, some you think are annoying, some you think give him potential--- these are things that Izzie saw in him before anyone else did and why I think they are good friends and her ability to see these things in him is why he can be a better version of himself when he's talking to Iz-- I don't deny that at all).
So, all of this being said-- do I love all the things my multi-layered Izzie has done? No--- And now I will only delve into two (b/c again, I don't have any need to go item by item, but these two are the ones significant enough to me to mention). First of all, cutting the LVAD. Absolutely the worst thing that Izzie ever did, emotionally, morally and professionally, EVER. Terrible, awful-- Izzie's darkest moment, I think. That's all I'm gonna say about it. I could write a book about it and the after effects and all that, if I let myself ;). Two-- the affair. Now, as a Gizzie fan, I must say we as Gizzie fans are EXHAUSTED of hearing about how morally apprehensible this was. UGH! But I will comment, b/c it warrants a comment. Most of the Gizzie fans I know (myself included) DO NOT condone the affair. We think it was awful and unfair and morally wrong. What we do believe in and love is Gizzie love. Now, you want to talk about how awful George & Iz were for the affair-- there were SO many affairs that fans don't find disgusting or blame constantly about-- MerDer Sloan Alex Ava... people don't hammer away at all of them constantly for it. You know why? B/c George and Izzie's was the only affair that happened on the show where guilt and remorse WERE WRITTEN into the show. By showing the incredible guilt and remorse that they both felt, especially George, it pointed out repeatedly to the fans their terrible moral mistake and so everyone harps on it all the time. George showed a TON of guilt. Izzie's "god's will" speech was her trying to work through the guilt (that's how I saw it) and then their so-called "chemistry" problems afterward were all results of guilt. Did I believe in their affair? NO. Did I believe in their love? ABSOLUTELY.
Anyway, my post wasn't about Izzie being perfect before she was w/ Alex. I know she's not. And love that about her. And my point wasn't even in trying to prove she was better w/ George or Denny (I wasn't gonna go there :) My point was that Izzie has not been like herself at all all season and since she's been romantically paired w/ Alex.
So, I'll wrap up now b/c I have to take my son to school. If there's major sp/grammar issues-- I'm sorry!
I hope you see what I'm trying to say now-- and I'm quite sure that in the end we will have to just agree to disagree!
:)
April 17th, 2009 11:35 AM
Well, Greysaddiction - hopefully Private Practice will get canceled, Addison will come back and Addisex will once again rule the airwaves - then we'll both be happy! LOL! (Of course, Alex might not be but thats ok)
I was probably a little too harsh on Izzie in my post. I loved her in S1 and most of S2 and when she is funny and goofy and domestic I really like her. I just don't like her angsty I guess. For example, I am really looking forward to her manic planning for Mer's wedding-a-palooza.
Also, I think that Shonda sets some characters up as the "good" shiny characters (Derek, Izzie, George) and the "bad" twisty characters (Alex, Mer and Cris). I just happen to relate more to the dark and twisty ones I guess or at least find them more interesting. (Although I love George).
Also, for the record, I can completely understand why people don't like Alex or Alex/Izzie. He can be a complete jerk and very cruel sometimes. (I do think the accusation of abusive goes WAY too far though). And they have hurled some cruel remarks at one another through the seasons. I guess I just like that love/hate/Wuthering Heights type relationship. (In real life my husband is very nice and nothing like Alex, but in my tv "fantasy" life I do like the bad boy:)
Finally, although I don't condone adultery, the G/I one night stand didn't bother me so much as the aftermath of it. Unfortunately Shonda seems to equate adultery with love or something and therefore just about every character has to experience it, not just G/I. I think the one difference here is that viewers had gotten to know (and maybe like) Callie whereas we didn't know Addison and Mark right away and didn't really know Ava's husband, so a regular character was seen getting hurt on the show, not just some person off-screen. That may have a lot to do with how their relationship was viewed. Shonda did G/I and their fans a real disservice by starting their relationship off that way and I'm not really sure what her reasoning behind it was. She should have never had George marry Callie if G/I was her plan. Just like she never should have gotten A/I back together just to bring in Denny. Ugh.
Anyway, I completely understand your points and we can agree to disagree without calling each other names or bad feelings. See? It can be done!
Also, as much as I am excited for the prospect of a wedding, I am dreading it also. It is too soon for them and you know that Shonda won't allow anybody (esp. Alex or Izzie) happiness for long without bringing down a load of disaster on them.
April 17th, 2009 4:47 PM
mommy looks to nice to have come from a trailer park
April 17th, 2009 9:55 PM
TDS--
Ah, yes-- Addie can come back to SGH! That's it! All is solved! ;)
I agree that the audience knowing and caring about Callie made a huge difference in how Gizzie's adultery was viewed as opposed to the others'. But, as I said b/f, TPTB also seemed to write a lot of remorse into it as well-- probably b/c of the fans' concern for Callie.
you wrote:
"Shonda did G/I and their fans a real disservice by starting their relationship off that way and I'm not really sure what her reasoning behind it was. She should have never had George marry Callie if G/I was her plan. Just like she never should have gotten A/I back together just to bring in Denny. Ugh."
Beautifully said. That is the pain that Shonda directly struck us Gizzie fans with-- that is the pain we feel. The really crappy part about it is that every once in a while she likes to twist the knife a bit too. Eeerrrggghhh! (this is where I'd like to insert one of those little angry face emoticons!!) But, thankfully for us, she also shows some glimpses now and then that she may still have a little torch burning for the Gizzie friendship, at least. That, of course, keeps us hoping....
you also wrote:
"Also, as much as I am excited for the prospect of a wedding, I am dreading it also. It is too soon for them and you know that Shonda won't allow anybody (esp. Alex or Izzie) happiness for long without bringing down a load of disaster on them."
You seem very down-to-earth about this wedding and to have a very wise, untrusting view of Shonda & Co. in this whole storyline... you are wise here. B/c of this, if she drops the A/I fans hard, you will not fall quite so hard as the rest. But you can still savor every moment of the ride until it stops!
You know, I sometimes wonder if Shonda really has regard for the fans at all-- ???
April 18th, 2009 12:02 AM
So, I admit, I didn't read all of the TDS/Greysaddict conversation, but I just wanted to add my two cents.
I actually completely disagree with both of them, if that is even possible because they also seem to completely disagree with each other.
First of all, I love Izzie. I think she's going through a tough time (we all have) and needs Alex more than ever right now.
Also, I'm pretty sure that Alex has been in love with her for the entire show (keep in mind that this is coming from an A/I fan, so I may have interpreted some scenes differently from people for other ships), and I'm so happy to finally see them together.
Third, I have to admit I've never actually watched an Alex/Addison kiss. I always end up shutting my eyes before they happen. And I started doing that before I became a Lexzie fan. I've just never liked them, which is weird, because I love both of them separately.
Fourth, I agree that Alex has been more involved in this relationship than Izzie has been for most of this season. I think that's partially because those are just the scenes that we get shown, and because (as I stated above) she's just having a hard year.
Fifth (I'm sorry if this isn't a terribly coherent post - I'm very tired) I think if you re-watch some of the earlier episodes from this season right after Izzie and Alex got together and right before Denny showed up, you'll find that Izzie to be a lot more like the old Izzie than she is now. Therefore, I think that it was Denny who messed with our Izzie, not Alex. They've been together before and it didn't change her, but having your dead fiance follow you around - that would freak anyone out.
Sixth: This point is a bit off topic, but, here it goes. It is a T.V. show, and there isn't necessarily logic involved, so it's really hard to know who would be happy with whom. It really has more to do with Shonda and the other writer's perception of the situation than anything else.
One last comment: I find this whole issue to be very interesting. There isn't this much controversy over most other TV pairings (at least on shows that I watch), because it's usually set up in such a way that it is clear who is supposed to be with who, but that isn't true for either Alex or Izzie, so everyone has formed their own opinion. And, as frustrating as it is that we have no idea how all of this will actually work out, I find all of these differing opinions and the reasons behind them to be very interesting :)
Okay, I have to go. Sorry for the length of the post. It's mostly just rambling, but I hope I got my ideas/points across.
There wasn't much of a point to it all, except to provide a completely different perspective of the situation.
As for the wedding, I'm just hoping (as always)that Shonda knows what she's doing. She usually does a pretty good job :D
April 18th, 2009 12:03 AM
Oh, that was much longer than I thought it was - sorry again!!!
And thanks to anyone who actually takes the time to read it or responds!
April 18th, 2009 1:52 PM
Kate.321-- I totally agree w/ you that Alex is in love with Izzie (if you do end up reading back to the beginning of mine and TDS's conversation, you'll see that I said it back then)... I wouldn't go as far as you to say he's always been, from the beginning, but I do agree 100% now that he's in love w/ her. I just don't think that she's in love w/ him (although I do believe she does love him on some level). But a lot of that is where the Gizzie fan VS A/I fan line is drawn-- we have to just agree to disagree on that point b/c that is one of the big fundamentals we'll never see eye-to-eye on!!
You wrote: "There isn't this much controversy over most other TV pairings (at least on shows that I watch), because it's usually set up in such a way that it is clear who is supposed to be with who, but that isn't true for either Alex or Izzie, so everyone has formed their own opinion. And, as frustrating as it is that we have no idea how all of this will actually work out, I find all of these differing opinions and the reasons behind them to be very interesting :)"
You are SO right! That's what makes it SO interesting!!! But you won't find too many Gizzie fans who are willing to discuss w/o getting upset, b/c some fans in the past (and a small # mostly on other sites now) have been brutally nasty to Gizzie fans and/or George fans. Also, Gizzie fans have been put through the ringer by Shonda & Co. and many Gizzie fans are still die-hard fans, but very weary of battling about it, and also weary of wondering what's to come next on the show for George and for Gizzie.
I have one more point about that statement I quoted you on-- it does make it interesting not knowing who TPTB want to be with who.... but it also makes it insanely frustrating when you ship one of the couples! Sometimes, quite honestly, it feels like Shonda is playing us all. We are marionettes and she is up above pulling the strings and man, that can get to be annoying at times!!! (yes, it IS just a TV show, but my fave and my one true distraction from everyday life)
I once saw an old clip of Shonda talking about how she created the characters... she said the 5 interns were pieces of her, facets of her personality. And then the "dreamy men"-- at the time, Der, Burke & Sloan were all the types of men she'd be interested in, would love to love.
Hmmmm.... chew on that for a bit!
If that's the case, then I can't see how she could get rid of either Izzie or George or any of the fab 5, then, can she?
April 19th, 2009 2:25 PM
I agree Kate.321 that Izzie's love life is definitely cause for controversy. I find it interesting as well and who a peson wants her to be with may depend a lot on the type of fictional romances that a person likes and the type of character someone is drawn to. It seems as though Gizzie fans and A/I fans see very different things when it comes to what Shonda's intentions regarding Izzie's love life are.
I am very much of the opinion that Shonda has absolutely no grand plan for the show and that she starts storylines that she thinks will be shocking! and as a result she doesn't always think things through. I also think that the backstage stuff (of which Grey's has way too much), affects storylines as much as anything else. It affected Alex/Addison, Cristina/Burke and now may affect both Gizzie and A/I. So while Shonda pretends that everything happens for a reason, I don't believe it for a second.
If Gizzie were endgame, why have them start their relationship while George was married to a regular character? If A/I are endgame, why bring Denny back to make it seem like Alex is 2nd choice? I just think that Shonda instincts aren't so good and she goes for the unexpected and shocking rather than good, in character storylines. She puts plot over character again and again. How she thought that fans would love seeing the interns cut themselves or Denny appearing from the dead 3 seasons after he was a real character on the show, is beyond me.
Anyway, I do hope that we get some real insight into Izzie's feelings for Alex in the next few episodes. I am convinced that Denny is coming back at least once, but I can only hope it is so Izzie can finally shut the door on that relationship once and for all and fully and enthusiastically commit to Alex. She told Denny that Alex made her happy and the optimist in me believes that fact that she hasn't told Alex that she loves him yet means that this time it is different. We'll see.
My hope is that if KH is staying for the next 2 seasons, even as a recurring character, that she and Alex will stay together. Not that they won't have their fights and obstacles, but Izzie has supposedly loved 3 men in the course of about a year and half in the show's warped timeline and to have her move on yet again, will just be unbelievable to me. But I have learned that it is better to expect the worst and hope for the best when it comes to this show.
April 19th, 2009 7:15 PM
Izzie and george were always just friends, even when they had a romantic relationship they found out they were just friends that was the whole point of the show dealing with that, to get it out of the way. izzie never wontonly looked back at george in that way. she was lonely and he was trying to get out of a marriage that was a mistake in the first place it was convenient and safe and might i add alcohol induced. when it was all over said and done with they found out it wasn't any deeper than that. which was possibly the point. Alex and izzie definitely makes more sense on paper.
April 19th, 2009 10:53 PM
TDS writes:
"am very much of the opinion that Shonda has absolutely no grand plan for the show and that she starts storylines that she thinks will be shocking! and as a result she doesn't always think things through.
...
I just think that Shonda instincts aren't so good and she goes for the unexpected and shocking rather than good, in character storylines. She puts plot over character again and again."
I agree 100% TDS!!! I don't think she thinks of an endgame for her characters' couples. I think she thinks up stories, gets excited, wants to put them into action and then doesn't necessarily think about the consequences (as in the fans' reactions, but also where the characters will go from there). I've actually come to the conclusion (obviously a very subjective type of conclusion)... I guess more of an opinion that Shonda doesn't believe in lasting love. Interesting to see how her pledge to keep MerDer together will work out. (I ship MerDer, so I hope it will).
Anyway, those are my thoughts on Shonda and the couples stuff. I could go into more about Gizzie, but I won't at this post (I'll post a second post but responding to lety) All I will say is that I still believe in Gizzie love. And I do believe that Shonda wished them to be together at some point. Do I think she thought through what the fans' reactions would be to the how? nope. But then again, as Chandra Wilson said in the first installment of Ask Greys... who knows what goes on and where characters go in Shonda Land? ;)
As for all of you A/I fans-- looks like your dreams are going to come true soon. Do we know if they are lasting dreams? No. But you sure as heck can enjoy them while they last!! :)
April 19th, 2009 11:06 PM
lety--
you wrote:
"Alex and izzie definitely makes more sense on paper"
I will just comment that you are not doing your couple or your fellow A/I fans any justice in that uninspired comment!
As for the rest of what you wrote--
here's an excerpt from Chris Dan Vusen's blog (Grey's writers blog) on Grey Matter for the episode "My Favorite Mistake"
"Because… Izzie and George? They’ve got some intense feelings for each other, those two. It’s obvious. It’s amazing. There they are, in that linen closet, NOT DRUNK AT ALL, and it’s apparent that the sex – the really, really good sex – it could happen again – right then and right there."
....
"“Izzie and George sleep together,” our fearless leader said. “IZZIE AND GEORGE SLEEP TOGETHER!”
It was pretty amazing. It’s still pretty amazing. And, trust us, we’re taking Izzie and George to some pretty amazing places. Because, just like the theme of this episode, we have a plan.
We know you’re shocked. We hear you. Television watchers without pity: We get it. But, here’s the thing. You know who’s even more shocked than you? Izzie and George.
They didn’t see this coming. They didn’t mean for this to happen. I mean, they’re FRIENDS. They’re BEST friends. They spend most of their waking hours together. They have many things in common. They confide in each other. They look out for each other. They stick up for each other. They worry about each other. They care very deeply about each other.
Wait a minute.
Izzie and George are already in a freakin’ relationship! They’ve been in one for a really long time."
and for your viewing pleasure... no alcohol in the elevator:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FkY4tCCt1k&feature=PlayList&p=41BD12F10E420319&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=4
April 20th, 2009 2:30 AM
it's a tv show and because i love to write myself,i can usually figure out plots and endings... my joy in watching isn't to get emotionally attached to the drama it's seeing how spot on it all is. as for my coomment about your gizzie my point was only that it was done to make a point. i'm sorry but guy-chick-friends that you gush to about everything usually fall for all of they'r gushing chick friends even in real life.And even in real life don't make good couples.
April 20th, 2009 8:46 AM
LOL, lety.
And you are a writer?
hmmmmm....
I do agree with you about one statement--- the fact that it's a tv show. Yup, but my favorite one and my favorite pasttime! ;-)
April 20th, 2009 9:09 AM
TDS--
this one's for you! I think it'll make you laugh--
this is actually a Gizzie vid, but I won't torture you w/ Gizzie stuff (not my intention)...
Scroll to about 2:22-- the song says "she's a pain in the *ss" and the scene is George & Alex turning to look at Iz like she's crazy!! Anyway... kinda cute and ties right back into our discussion of Izzie and her "finest" moments! And how Alex and George just love that crazy woman!! :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeVGqmnKviM
:) Happy watching this week! New epi-- seems like it's been FOREVER coming! How much time do you think it's been in ShondaLand??? ;-)
April 21st, 2009 12:00 PM
Thanks - thats a cute video. I am a big fan of the Gizzie friendship, I just prefer her with Alex romantically.
Apparently there is going to be a big blowout between Alex and George this week. I had hoped that they would be able to work together for Izzie but I guess not. If they don't make up by the end, I may have to avoid the boards for awhile :)
April 21st, 2009 12:05 PM
LOL, TDS!! I know what you mean! But I'm not sure there's going to be a blow-out b/t them... all I read is that Alex freezes w/ a trauma patient and George rocks it. But I guess that could lead to a direct blow-out, considering the tension already b/t them about Iz being sick. I love them both and don't really want to see a blow-out, but maybe it needs to happen. I'd love to see them eventually come together to support Izzie.
With any luck and any hope, the internet wars won't be too bad.
I must say I am looking forward to George having a story. I just really hope that it doesn't end in his exit.
Fingers crossed that Shonda has an ounce of sanity left. And maybe a half an ounce of regard for the fans.
April 21st, 2009 12:13 PM
OMG, TDS-- after I wrote that above post, I saw the spoiler thread in the forum! I too, hope it doesn't cause too many Alex fan VS George fan wars on the web, but I think maybe it needs to be done-- they need to fight it out, I think. And you A/I fans will get your couple in the end. I just hope Shonda & Co. don't intend to ruin George in the process. He's my favorite, you know! :)