because when Alex told Izzie to shut up because he couldn't stand the sound of her voice that showed just how much he loveed her. Same when he told her to get out and shut the hell up the last episode, that really meant I love you. When he cheated on her with olivia, that meant love. When he slept with that stranger on the premiere and had a nasty smirk because he wanted to get back at Izzie for daring to say he was a good guy, that was also love. You guys are all right and I am the one who doesn,t know what love is. Insulting someone means you secretely love them and treating them like dirt is really a secret aphrodisiac.
I would hate AI even if I didn't love GI, which I do. George and izzie had romantic, sexual and friendship chemistry and could make me feel the gamut of emotions. I always cared when they were on. Now Grey is a big yawn to me, that is when it doesn't insult my intelligence and AI and their sudden insta-abuse love is an insult.
It might please the little girls out there who are busy panting after Alex and his shirtless ab wonder, but not real mature smart women.
Rory Says:
October 27th, 2008 9:42 AM
Gizzie fans got nothing else to say but trying to make people hate Alex. Izzie said the same thing to Alex. She called him son of the bitch. Previous post also mentioned that Derek also abusive since he called Meredith a "whore" and Addison "satan". Getting hit by your ex is different kind of abuse, Marah. Shonda knows what is the best for the show. And Izzie is the greatest girl in Grey's because she could see the inside of a broken person, believe in him and caring for him. She is the only girl who could save him. They have a great story and That's why I love to see more of them. We who found the decent side of Alex are second after Izzie. And those who think Alex is abusive is small minded person who can only see a person from the outside. You need to see more side of a person and it'll make you more like Izzie. And those who have to say Alex is abusive just because you can have back Gizzie and calling the writer stupid are the worst person ever. You don't have the good heart of Izzie and what make you have the right to say what is right for her.
Milania Says:
October 27th, 2008 10:01 AM
I am sorry6 but we are bad people for thiniking a fictional couple is abusive. Hello do you realize how stupid and ignorant you sound? Maybe people would respect the AI fans if they didn't sound like 5-year old stupid kids. Alex is abusive. He should get psychological help. Izzie can help him by being his friend. Sjhe doesn't have to sleep with the guy. Amd yes I love Gizzie but I also love george and Lexie and adored Denny and Izzie and wouldn't mind Mark and Izzie so your little argument about hating AI because I am a Gizzie fan doesn't hold that much water, does it? I would rather Izzie be paired with the deer from season 4 premiere than with Alex and in case you missed it, plenty of Gizzie haters also loathe Alex and Izzie, including Maddie who posts here.
Isn't it possible we hate Alex and Izzie because we see no chemistry and think they bring out the worst in each other? izzie is not being kind-hearted, she is acting like a battered wife who makes excuse for her abusive husband, and no abuse doesn't have to be only physical. Verbal abuse is abuse too. If you had ever been in a verbally abusive relationship you would know that. Abusive people are awful not the people who stand up against abuse, you are severely emotionally messed up if you think any opposite.
It doesn,t seem Shonda knows what she is doing since the ratings are lower than they ever have been, 14 millions, down a whopping 25% and a whole lot of people, not just Gizzie fans, hate the show lately.
Also, Derek is abusive too, noone said any different. There are relationships where people don't insult each other and always try to bring each other down, you know? Like the relationship George and Izzie had, whih is why their fans will always deplore Shonda's cowardice in dropping them to please shallow twits who think abuse is love and hotness is the only thing that matters in a love relationship.
Shonda is stupid, she gave up a couple who has a huge fanbase who watched just for them to please haters who would have continued watching the show Gizzie or no Gizzie and who are nothing more but an overly vocal minority. That is stupid, and that is also gutless.
Kim Says:
October 27th, 2008 10:50 AM
No we are not awful. Women who defend abusive men and that way encourage women to be in real-life abusive relationships are the ones who are awful people.
Tell the truth, the only reason you hated Gizzie, who were the best couple, the best relationship on the show, is because you don't find him attractive enough so you encourage abuse ahead of true love out of shallowness. That makes you awful.
I believe the Gizzie fans were the majority and that is why the ratings have went down since 4.7 when they ended.
I quit and so did everyone I know after that. I never voted on a poll or did a panel but I stopped watching, and that speaks a lot louder.
I have one of those little black boxes too, so my ratings count.
Kate Says:
October 27th, 2008 11:32 AM
I agree to Rory. I am not an AI fan but I love Alex and Izzie together. And I kinda thinking many fans not just AI fans love the relation between Alex and Izzie based on comments from various sites. It's a fresh love story with more drama in it and I love to see more of them. Same as my favorite couple, Merder. Sorry to Gizzie fans. You guys need to move on. It's better if you write more about Gizzie than ur hate on Alex. You sound more like 5-year old kids, Milania.
Shelton Says:
October 27th, 2008 12:47 PM
Alex and Izzie are disgusting. I feel like putting some disifectant on me after watching them together. I don't know how anyone can root for those two. Scratch that, I know, Alex looks hot. Yeah! He is still disgusting.
Milania Says:
October 27th, 2008 12:51 PM
I,d be all about writing for my love on Gizzie if Shonda actually gave them 30 seconds of airtime together. We did move on, we stopped watching. That is about the most moving on we can do. Hmm if you love Alex and Izzie, that means you are an AI fan, hello. I am sorry but the AI fans make no sense and keep saying stupid stuff like that making them feel like 5 year old idiots. I write much too well to be 5-year old. You on the other hand... Well most AI fans don't even know how to speak English correctly it seems. I don,t understand a word they are saying.
The fact that people on some sites love AI doesn't mean they are popular, keep up: it means a lot of people on the Internet which represent about 5% of the entire fanbase like them, and you do know that some people post under various accounts but are the same person right?
In real life, meaning off the Internet, I don't know anyone who likes the couple. They don,t vote and post on the Internet as they have lives but they do hate AI so much that many quit the show over them.
Ok, just because I defend Alex, doesn't make me an awful person. The people who brutally attack him for getting the girl at the end are. What's the point? To get rid of Alex? He isn't going anywhere so we just might get used to it and if people are going to quit the show because Gizzie is done, then do it and stop complaining. Seriously, it's getting old.
Milania, true, there are relationships where people don't insult each other but there are relationships that they do. It happens, they are human and they're not perfect. They will make mistakes. Like, George is no better than Derek. They both commited adultery for example. They both made mistakes in the heat of passion but you know what? They apologized. The fact that both Meredith and Callie where able enough to be the bigger person and forgive their significant others (remember Callie eventually did, but Gizzie had begun already) for their mistakes is their problem.
Plus, you said that the AI fanbase in the internet is only 5% right? How do we know it's not the same situation for Gizzie?
The thing is that Gizzie fans will look for every chance that they get to attack Alex and Izzie, so this is a lost battle to continue to try to change their minds.
And to finish off, I don't think abuse is love and hotness. First, it had to be abuse. Derek and Meredith's relationship has been based on confusion and began on the left foot. They're making it up for it this season. Alex and Izzie, if you want to blame someone, blame Izzie for taking all of Alex crap. In the beginning of S.4 Derek said about Meredith that she had the right to be damaged since her mother never wanted her and her father wasn't man enough to stay. Same goes to Alex. He has a right to be damaged since all we know is his father was an alcoholic and his mother suffered from a bad depression. Maybe like Derek was to Meredith, Izzie is his way out of the vicious circle but he can't make it in one day. Give it a chance, please.
Dee Says:
October 27th, 2008 2:33 PM
I am sorry but don't you realize how wrong it is that you say that Izzie can be Alex's way out. One person should never ever save you. What happens if she dies or she stops looving him, will he got back to being the jerk he has always been? And yes Alex has the rigth to be damaged, he does need to grow the heck up eventually thoughy and he hasn,t. Ava made him grow up for a while but see why your judgment about one person saving you is faulty, when she couldn't save him anymore, he regressed and became more cruel and mean and messed up than ever.
He needs to change for himself, become a truly stable, good, kind and caribng person then he can get into a relationship.
He is in no way ready to have a relationship with anyone at the moment.
Hmm who said the AI fanbase was 5%, from what I understood, the person said that the proportion of GREY fans posting on the Internet was about 5%. I'd say more about 10%. Nobody was talking about AI vs GI, although a lot of AI fans have said Gizzie was universally hated when in fact they hacve a huge fanbase, on and off the Net.
The argument is the fact AI fans vote so much more and speak so much louder doesn,t mean they are the majority just that they have more time to waste on this.
The Gizzie fans I know don,t speak up about Alex because they think Shonda will change her mind and fire the worthless piece of trash, we know it won,t happen. We are speaking out because we have a right of speech and because it is wrong to us to see an abusive relationship, a toxc one where the guy treats the girl like his emotional punching bag, shown as romance. It is an insult to women's rights movement everywhere.
And the Gizzie haters didn,t shut up once when they were together, yet I didn,t see you tell them to shut up so we Gizzie fans can speak out as much as we want.
I'd also like to point out that i know Gizzie haters who think Alex and izzie is abusive and sick and don't want them together so why the generalization here?
We have the nright to find Alex abusive and it doesn't make us bad people, just a bit smarter than the rest.
And don't worry, I do blame Izzie and so do a lot of Gizzie fans who now think Izzie is a former shelf of her former self, a girl who will open her legs to every single guy who treats her badly enough.
Nicole Says:
October 27th, 2008 4:23 PM
Yeah they ruined Izzie. She was so mu7ch better with Denny and George. Gizzie was hot. AI is blech.
Addie Says:
October 27th, 2008 8:08 PM
Seriously? lexziepuke? lexzieyuck? Are we in third grade, or did we just forget to take our pill this morning? Anyway, I know that he can be an ass, but so can, let's see, Derek, Mark, George, Chief, and Burke was too. So all you people just give it a chance. I mean can you really blame him? The girl he was in love with just went crazy! People deal with grief in different ways, plus his childhood kinda sucked, so lay off.
kate Says:
October 28th, 2008 12:27 AM
Hi Milania. There's no point of saying most AI fans don't even know how to speak English correctly. And if you don't understand what they are saying then you need to attend English class coz I don't think ur English is that good as well. Don't be proud of that. My English also not good coz I'm not a native speaker and I messed up with other 4 different languages. BTW you don't need account for posting in this site. Seems like you have lots to learn Milania and maybe that 5 year old idiots you've been calling to others is the mirror image to urself. Stop calling people stupid, or idiot.
I'm not an AI fan originally but I'm starting to like this couple. Yeah I'm one of the fan now. I don't think they can make interesting story for Gizzie btw.
Milania Says:
October 28th, 2008 9:42 AM
I am an English teacher at university and my English has always been excellent. I aced all my English classes in University, so I have to laugh at your comments. Anyone can see I talk much better than you.
It is because and not coz, what are you? 9?
Callie Says:
October 28th, 2008 9:47 AM
I am sorry but the Gizzie haters always call them Gizzard or Grizzie, so maybe you should read them the riot act too.
Alex and Izzie are boring. They are the most cliched couple in history. Hot bad boy with hot good girl who saves his soul when noone else sees it. yawn. It has been done a million times before and much better.
Now George and izzie are two best friends who try to go from friends to lovers, that could have been very interesting. They also had a hundred times more chemistry and a much deeper connection.
AI seems fake. She always treated Alex like a sex toy before now she is in love.
I'd be more understanding about Alex and his wuv for Ava if he wasn,t kissing another women three weeks after. Last time I checked Ava was also married with a child so Alex committed adultery.
George is not abusive. he is the good guy. Alex is the asshole. You can't even put them in the same place. George would never abuse women or people the way Alex does.
I have given Alex chance after chance. He is a loser, and I am done with him. I am also done with Grey.
Maria Vargas Says:
October 28th, 2008 3:25 PM
It is SAD that a hispanic/latin actress has to accept a degrading, shamefull and discusting role you on T.V. I am ashamed, and will no longer watch your show.
October 27th, 2008 9:20 AM
because when Alex told Izzie to shut up because he couldn't stand the sound of her voice that showed just how much he loveed her. Same when he told her to get out and shut the hell up the last episode, that really meant I love you. When he cheated on her with olivia, that meant love. When he slept with that stranger on the premiere and had a nasty smirk because he wanted to get back at Izzie for daring to say he was a good guy, that was also love. You guys are all right and I am the one who doesn,t know what love is. Insulting someone means you secretely love them and treating them like dirt is really a secret aphrodisiac.
I would hate AI even if I didn't love GI, which I do. George and izzie had romantic, sexual and friendship chemistry and could make me feel the gamut of emotions. I always cared when they were on. Now Grey is a big yawn to me, that is when it doesn't insult my intelligence and AI and their sudden insta-abuse love is an insult.
It might please the little girls out there who are busy panting after Alex and his shirtless ab wonder, but not real mature smart women.
October 27th, 2008 9:42 AM
Gizzie fans got nothing else to say but trying to make people hate Alex. Izzie said the same thing to Alex. She called him son of the bitch. Previous post also mentioned that Derek also abusive since he called Meredith a "whore" and Addison "satan". Getting hit by your ex is different kind of abuse, Marah. Shonda knows what is the best for the show. And Izzie is the greatest girl in Grey's because she could see the inside of a broken person, believe in him and caring for him. She is the only girl who could save him. They have a great story and That's why I love to see more of them. We who found the decent side of Alex are second after Izzie. And those who think Alex is abusive is small minded person who can only see a person from the outside. You need to see more side of a person and it'll make you more like Izzie. And those who have to say Alex is abusive just because you can have back Gizzie and calling the writer stupid are the worst person ever. You don't have the good heart of Izzie and what make you have the right to say what is right for her.
October 27th, 2008 10:01 AM
I am sorry6 but we are bad people for thiniking a fictional couple is abusive. Hello do you realize how stupid and ignorant you sound? Maybe people would respect the AI fans if they didn't sound like 5-year old stupid kids. Alex is abusive. He should get psychological help. Izzie can help him by being his friend. Sjhe doesn't have to sleep with the guy. Amd yes I love Gizzie but I also love george and Lexie and adored Denny and Izzie and wouldn't mind Mark and Izzie so your little argument about hating AI because I am a Gizzie fan doesn't hold that much water, does it? I would rather Izzie be paired with the deer from season 4 premiere than with Alex and in case you missed it, plenty of Gizzie haters also loathe Alex and Izzie, including Maddie who posts here.
Isn't it possible we hate Alex and Izzie because we see no chemistry and think they bring out the worst in each other? izzie is not being kind-hearted, she is acting like a battered wife who makes excuse for her abusive husband, and no abuse doesn't have to be only physical. Verbal abuse is abuse too. If you had ever been in a verbally abusive relationship you would know that. Abusive people are awful not the people who stand up against abuse, you are severely emotionally messed up if you think any opposite.
It doesn,t seem Shonda knows what she is doing since the ratings are lower than they ever have been, 14 millions, down a whopping 25% and a whole lot of people, not just Gizzie fans, hate the show lately.
Also, Derek is abusive too, noone said any different. There are relationships where people don't insult each other and always try to bring each other down, you know? Like the relationship George and Izzie had, whih is why their fans will always deplore Shonda's cowardice in dropping them to please shallow twits who think abuse is love and hotness is the only thing that matters in a love relationship.
Shonda is stupid, she gave up a couple who has a huge fanbase who watched just for them to please haters who would have continued watching the show Gizzie or no Gizzie and who are nothing more but an overly vocal minority. That is stupid, and that is also gutless.
October 27th, 2008 10:50 AM
No we are not awful. Women who defend abusive men and that way encourage women to be in real-life abusive relationships are the ones who are awful people.
Tell the truth, the only reason you hated Gizzie, who were the best couple, the best relationship on the show, is because you don't find him attractive enough so you encourage abuse ahead of true love out of shallowness. That makes you awful.
I believe the Gizzie fans were the majority and that is why the ratings have went down since 4.7 when they ended.
I quit and so did everyone I know after that. I never voted on a poll or did a panel but I stopped watching, and that speaks a lot louder.
I have one of those little black boxes too, so my ratings count.
October 27th, 2008 11:32 AM
I agree to Rory. I am not an AI fan but I love Alex and Izzie together. And I kinda thinking many fans not just AI fans love the relation between Alex and Izzie based on comments from various sites. It's a fresh love story with more drama in it and I love to see more of them. Same as my favorite couple, Merder. Sorry to Gizzie fans. You guys need to move on. It's better if you write more about Gizzie than ur hate on Alex. You sound more like 5-year old kids, Milania.
October 27th, 2008 12:47 PM
Alex and Izzie are disgusting. I feel like putting some disifectant on me after watching them together. I don't know how anyone can root for those two. Scratch that, I know, Alex looks hot. Yeah! He is still disgusting.
October 27th, 2008 12:51 PM
I,d be all about writing for my love on Gizzie if Shonda actually gave them 30 seconds of airtime together. We did move on, we stopped watching. That is about the most moving on we can do. Hmm if you love Alex and Izzie, that means you are an AI fan, hello. I am sorry but the AI fans make no sense and keep saying stupid stuff like that making them feel like 5 year old idiots. I write much too well to be 5-year old. You on the other hand... Well most AI fans don't even know how to speak English correctly it seems. I don,t understand a word they are saying.
The fact that people on some sites love AI doesn't mean they are popular, keep up: it means a lot of people on the Internet which represent about 5% of the entire fanbase like them, and you do know that some people post under various accounts but are the same person right?
In real life, meaning off the Internet, I don't know anyone who likes the couple. They don,t vote and post on the Internet as they have lives but they do hate AI so much that many quit the show over them.
October 27th, 2008 1:59 PM
Ok, just because I defend Alex, doesn't make me an awful person. The people who brutally attack him for getting the girl at the end are. What's the point? To get rid of Alex? He isn't going anywhere so we just might get used to it and if people are going to quit the show because Gizzie is done, then do it and stop complaining. Seriously, it's getting old.
Milania, true, there are relationships where people don't insult each other but there are relationships that they do. It happens, they are human and they're not perfect. They will make mistakes. Like, George is no better than Derek. They both commited adultery for example. They both made mistakes in the heat of passion but you know what? They apologized. The fact that both Meredith and Callie where able enough to be the bigger person and forgive their significant others (remember Callie eventually did, but Gizzie had begun already) for their mistakes is their problem.
Plus, you said that the AI fanbase in the internet is only 5% right? How do we know it's not the same situation for Gizzie?
The thing is that Gizzie fans will look for every chance that they get to attack Alex and Izzie, so this is a lost battle to continue to try to change their minds.
And to finish off, I don't think abuse is love and hotness. First, it had to be abuse. Derek and Meredith's relationship has been based on confusion and began on the left foot. They're making it up for it this season. Alex and Izzie, if you want to blame someone, blame Izzie for taking all of Alex crap. In the beginning of S.4 Derek said about Meredith that she had the right to be damaged since her mother never wanted her and her father wasn't man enough to stay. Same goes to Alex. He has a right to be damaged since all we know is his father was an alcoholic and his mother suffered from a bad depression. Maybe like Derek was to Meredith, Izzie is his way out of the vicious circle but he can't make it in one day. Give it a chance, please.
October 27th, 2008 2:33 PM
I am sorry but don't you realize how wrong it is that you say that Izzie can be Alex's way out. One person should never ever save you. What happens if she dies or she stops looving him, will he got back to being the jerk he has always been? And yes Alex has the rigth to be damaged, he does need to grow the heck up eventually thoughy and he hasn,t. Ava made him grow up for a while but see why your judgment about one person saving you is faulty, when she couldn't save him anymore, he regressed and became more cruel and mean and messed up than ever.
He needs to change for himself, become a truly stable, good, kind and caribng person then he can get into a relationship.
He is in no way ready to have a relationship with anyone at the moment.
Hmm who said the AI fanbase was 5%, from what I understood, the person said that the proportion of GREY fans posting on the Internet was about 5%. I'd say more about 10%. Nobody was talking about AI vs GI, although a lot of AI fans have said Gizzie was universally hated when in fact they hacve a huge fanbase, on and off the Net.
The argument is the fact AI fans vote so much more and speak so much louder doesn,t mean they are the majority just that they have more time to waste on this.
The Gizzie fans I know don,t speak up about Alex because they think Shonda will change her mind and fire the worthless piece of trash, we know it won,t happen. We are speaking out because we have a right of speech and because it is wrong to us to see an abusive relationship, a toxc one where the guy treats the girl like his emotional punching bag, shown as romance. It is an insult to women's rights movement everywhere.
And the Gizzie haters didn,t shut up once when they were together, yet I didn,t see you tell them to shut up so we Gizzie fans can speak out as much as we want.
I'd also like to point out that i know Gizzie haters who think Alex and izzie is abusive and sick and don't want them together so why the generalization here?
We have the nright to find Alex abusive and it doesn't make us bad people, just a bit smarter than the rest.
And don't worry, I do blame Izzie and so do a lot of Gizzie fans who now think Izzie is a former shelf of her former self, a girl who will open her legs to every single guy who treats her badly enough.
October 27th, 2008 4:23 PM
Yeah they ruined Izzie. She was so mu7ch better with Denny and George. Gizzie was hot. AI is blech.
October 27th, 2008 8:08 PM
Seriously? lexziepuke? lexzieyuck? Are we in third grade, or did we just forget to take our pill this morning? Anyway, I know that he can be an ass, but so can, let's see, Derek, Mark, George, Chief, and Burke was too. So all you people just give it a chance. I mean can you really blame him? The girl he was in love with just went crazy! People deal with grief in different ways, plus his childhood kinda sucked, so lay off.
October 28th, 2008 12:27 AM
Hi Milania. There's no point of saying most AI fans don't even know how to speak English correctly. And if you don't understand what they are saying then you need to attend English class coz I don't think ur English is that good as well. Don't be proud of that. My English also not good coz I'm not a native speaker and I messed up with other 4 different languages. BTW you don't need account for posting in this site. Seems like you have lots to learn Milania and maybe that 5 year old idiots you've been calling to others is the mirror image to urself. Stop calling people stupid, or idiot.
I'm not an AI fan originally but I'm starting to like this couple. Yeah I'm one of the fan now. I don't think they can make interesting story for Gizzie btw.
October 28th, 2008 9:42 AM
I am an English teacher at university and my English has always been excellent. I aced all my English classes in University, so I have to laugh at your comments. Anyone can see I talk much better than you.
It is because and not coz, what are you? 9?
October 28th, 2008 9:47 AM
I am sorry but the Gizzie haters always call them Gizzard or Grizzie, so maybe you should read them the riot act too.
Alex and Izzie are boring. They are the most cliched couple in history. Hot bad boy with hot good girl who saves his soul when noone else sees it. yawn. It has been done a million times before and much better.
Now George and izzie are two best friends who try to go from friends to lovers, that could have been very interesting. They also had a hundred times more chemistry and a much deeper connection.
AI seems fake. She always treated Alex like a sex toy before now she is in love.
I'd be more understanding about Alex and his wuv for Ava if he wasn,t kissing another women three weeks after. Last time I checked Ava was also married with a child so Alex committed adultery.
George is not abusive. he is the good guy. Alex is the asshole. You can't even put them in the same place. George would never abuse women or people the way Alex does.
I have given Alex chance after chance. He is a loser, and I am done with him. I am also done with Grey.
October 28th, 2008 3:25 PM
It is SAD that a hispanic/latin actress has to accept a degrading, shamefull and discusting role you on T.V. I am ashamed, and will no longer watch your show.
October 28th, 2008 3:55 PM
Who Maria??
November 1st, 2008 2:26 PM
Callie-Erica are Hot!!!