I don't agree with your comments - especially about Callie/Hahn. Go back and watch from the beginning...I always thought Callie could be with women. While she has been "sleeping with guys"...was she really emotionally involved? No (only with George until he freaked out on her). Mark's been a sex buddy... There friendship will continue - infact she may even be pregnant by him. She will get involved in a relationship with Hahn regardless. At least its' something new -
Shonda and Betsy still have lots of ideas!
Cheers-
Qi Says:
May 16th, 2008 5:19 PM
Meredith has always been doubting love. First she wanted Burke and Cristina's marriage to prove to herself that true love exists. When Burktina didn't get married she broke Derek's heart. Secondly, in this week's epi, Meredith was so sure that the tumor patient was making up her lover. When she finally realized that he did indeed exist, it essentially blew all her beliefs away. True love can exist for her, but she just didn't know how to deal with it. I think the therapist plot device will be used to make Mer realize what's she's been missing out by not being with Derek. Maybe the finale will work out.
Hannah Says:
May 16th, 2008 5:32 PM
first of all, bailey all the way because she is right about the luxury thing
i also think thought that when derek said to Rose, "cant' we just make this easier?"
i seriously thought he was gonna say, "i will and always ahve loved meredith"
that hahn+torres kiss was nuts & cally's reaction was utterly filled with shock
what was going throught her head?
the suicidal thing was extremely interesting as well
now in addition to the question about what was going through callie's head, what do u think that the shrink is gonna do to fix mer?
please answer i would like to see some ideas because i have none
Kelly Says:
May 16th, 2008 6:36 PM
I agree that this season has been boring and flat. The episode with Addison was pretty good, but I thought last night was terrible. . one of the worst. I had to go back and watch the entire season 2 collection to remind myself why I love this show. The only thing that has kept me watching is the promise of a MerDer reunion and the hope that the writers get it together next season and bring back the magic. The finale better be amazing (and better include the promised reunion) or I'm done and will be watching The Office next year. The character of Rose is awful and boring. . they need to get rid of her and move on. I also don't think the Callie/Hahn thing works, but they may surprise me. I feel like there's still so much possibility, but if the finale isn't amazing and the next season doesn't start off better than I'm very sorry to say that they will definitely lose a lot of viewers. Most people I know that haven't already jumped ship are just teetering on the edge. Maybe Shonda and the other writers should do what I did and watch season 2 for inspiration! Also, I miss the character of Burke. . sorry but I really do. Lexie has really grown on me. Please do something with Christina! She's an amazing actress. . give her something!
Here's hoping for a great finale!!!!! Please!!! We need it!
kathy Says:
May 16th, 2008 7:06 PM
there was a poem quoted in last night's episode by wadsworth does anyone know the title of the poem.
hannah Says:
May 16th, 2008 8:24 PM
another question, what is cristina gonna do?
what do you think that hahn was talking to the shrink about?
just curious
hannah Says:
May 16th, 2008 9:10 PM
i think that rebecca is obviously delusional and alex doesn't want to admit it because then he would be in love with the crazy girl
i also think that lexi is most definitely growing on me although i feel this obligation to hate her because meredith hates her soooooo much
it was also really cute when alex was helping rebecca change her clothes
i also liked how clueless the chief was with the winking thing
i wish christina would pull her head out of rear and deal! her friens need the brutal honesty we all love her for! Meredith tell him you love him, Derek don't be so clingy give Mer some space. You do spend 24 hours together and the poor girl needs some space and doesn't have to deal with all her problems at once. Karev geese man, what is wrond with you she is sycho, I guess with all those brain surgeries not everything got fixed. You couldn't be the nice guy for every other nice girl. And last of all Tucker senior get over yourself lot's of families have Mr. Moms, You knew who you married, a smarter women! besides spend some recovery time with your son, brain surgery I would think takes some extensive recovery time. everyone just needs to get over thier ego!
tofu Says:
May 17th, 2008 3:17 AM
getoverit is right. I just realized it when you said it that they see each other every single day and night and yet Derek wants more from her. It's like he wants her soul or something.
the chief's email made me laugh so hard. so funny.
greysfan Says:
May 17th, 2008 3:18 AM
i feel as if during the strike the writers had lots of time to think and the characters evolved in their minds but they didn't show that to us on the show so i always feel that there is something missing. like torres is not hostile with izzie and how did george and izzie's romance fizzled out?
i think eva/rebecca probably has the tumour and she'll be the last patient in the clinical trial
kelly Says:
May 17th, 2008 7:38 AM
i don't know how i feel about season 4:part 2..i have some split opinions. it may seem boring but i think it is because there are CONSTANTLY deep underlying parallels..i mean, EVERYTHING in the show is incredibly symbolic..especially with mer/der and their trial. it's, in essence, a trial of whether or not their relationship can make it. and i personally think they are on the road to success now, with the whole actuality of andre from the last episode. basically you just have to watch and understand that the storylines are a story within a story..that probably doesn't make sense, but in any case, i'm trying to say that if you comprehend all the symbolism, it's extremely heartwrenching..at least for me.
however, it is getting a tad repetitive and very drawn out. all i can say is that thank goodness the finale is next week, because i don't know how much longer i could endure the wait for the climax!
kelly Says:
May 17th, 2008 7:41 AM
oh and greysfan, i'm completely with you on your eva opinion..the minute i noticed something was fishy with her, that was my prediction! i think she'll be the first successful patient, and i think meredith wants to prove that this trial CAN work so she can be assured that her relationship with derek CAN work.
rya Says:
May 17th, 2008 8:23 AM
OMG!!! the ava thing would make SOOOO much sense!
It's like a lightbulb just went on in my head. Ava will make it through the surgery, realize she really still loves her husband (it was the tumor talking!), Alex will get depressed, Izzie will say " i told you so." and they will be happily ever after. As for Mer/Der... YEAH!!!! they finally get to break open that champagne cuz they "got it right!" (not only in the trial.... but in their relationship?) :) I'm so excited for the finale!!!
Dutchie Says:
May 17th, 2008 1:00 PM
I think Shonda is not yet back to the greatness of previous seasons. I didn't like the beginning of this season. We are slowly getting back.
The announcement of Der and Mer finally being together made a lot of us keep on watching, because we now know we do not have to endurance all the terrible storylines and the terrible nurse Rose much longer.
HANNAh Says:
May 17th, 2008 2:34 PM
urgh i m excited but also sad about the season finale
they always leave you hanging
they r sooooooooo bittersweet!
(De know) Says:
May 17th, 2008 7:32 PM
I luv it all, BUT ROSE GOT 2 GO. Everything else iz cool like a ice box. Serously, i cant wait in2 d season finale, Damn it. I just cant stand rose and what hell ups w/h jane doe/ava she got problems big tme. Dat crap iz crazy, and speakin' of bein' out there did yall check out Cristina cleanin' like she have lost it. Damn she should b on LOST.
Callie&Hahn wtf is all i got 2 say im ok with gay but how can she trun gay when she was just married. DAMN, i see Y she b runnin after mcsteamy and plus who wouldn't run after dat hahahahah.... wink!!!
You know I hate to think about it, but I can really see the whole mer/der/rose thing going very very bad. They open the champagne for their first surviving patient get together like at the prom, rose walks in on them. She leaves so mer/der can be together. In her angst of seeing them together she sleeps with mcsteamy in the vailed attempt to get over it! Then next season she pops up pregnant, ughhh! Then we will spend a whole season trying to find out who's kid it is. While Meridith broods on the whole Derek can't abandon Rose concept. Addison should have just kicked her ass when she had the chance, that would have been AWESOME!!
greyslover23 Says:
May 17th, 2008 8:16 PM
the kiss between callie and hahn left my mouth open for like ten minutes. that was a major new thing in the show. i think callies going to confront hahn and have a problem with her. i don't like hahn, shes to boring to be a character. i want her gone
rose and dereck need to be done. i don't mind her as a character but i don't want her with him. mer-der needs to happen, soon.
what was up with dereck snapping at meredith like that in the tumor ladies room?! i think he's realizing that him and rose were a stupid idea and taking it out on her. whateverr, i'm ready for the finale.
binks Says:
May 17th, 2008 10:24 PM
The show has definitely improved post-strike. The characters are back to having depth, the show flows better, there are less pratfalls. Whoever said the show got "flat" recently needs to re-evaluate. While I understand the frustration with the plot devices, they have to do anything they can to quickly reverse all the mistakes made pre-strike. So, cut the writers a break and let's hope Grey's gets makes it back to greatness once the post-strike recovery is complete. I personally think it's on its way.
maddie Says:
May 17th, 2008 11:51 PM
What is wrong with some of you people? lol jk..
but seriously, the show has gotten so much better! remember the end of s3.. now that was crap! its getting better and i think some of you are missing the point with the clinical trials importance. shonda and betsy said this is what slowly brings them back together. some of you may think that last episode drove merder father apart but i think it did the exact opposite:
"delusional fantasy"= thats what love is to meredith. she never thinks its going to really happen, that things will be alright. thats the reason she was so eager to get cristina down that aisle to marry burke. she needed to see that it was possible to find true love and end up happy. and of course what happened? he left her at the alter. anyway in dereks mind theres that hope. that was why he was so hopeful this guy in her head was real because he believes in the fantasy. so wheres the progress, because mer did yell at der to not rescue her and der did question if he was ever happy with mer- well here it is:
Meredith: because of what happened with their patient: the fact that the guy did indeed show up, and it was too late. in episode 414 dr wyatt told meredith she was the dying patient with the love of her life in the next room. and the gay patient did end up dying alone with the love of his life in the room. the same thing happened with this woman. she believed and was still left alone. merediths realizing maybe she needs to believe. so the ending scene really said it all. meredith wants help! she confessed her biggest secret shes never told anyone that explain a lot! the fact that when mer was a kid her mother tried to kill herself because the love of her life left makes a lot of sense of why merediths so afraid to let love in. she did that once and the wife showed up. people say she should be over it by now- well if something like this happened to your mother doesnt it make sense shes so afraid that the same thing will happen to her. when dr wyatt was explaining to meredith that shes careless with her life it opened up her mind and made her realize shes doing the same thing her mother did- shes heading down that path. so now she realizes she needs help. or she will be derin or phillip or the woman patient from 415 (whts her name?). she'll die with derek just a room away- never being able to let him in. so the fact that she wants help and is realizing why she stuck her hand in a body cavity and didnt swim- she believed her mother; that she was a waste of space on this planet. she needs to believe in herself again before she can believe and trust derek.
derek: yeah ok i was pissed when he walked hand in hand with rose but after rewatching i understand a bit more now: meredith really hurt him when she said love only exists in delusional fantasies making derek think she didnt believe they were in and had love. derek needs reassurance that meredith does love him. while i really wanted derek to break up with rose what actually happened kind of broke my heart. derek gave up. hes giving up on the fantasy because he thinks meredith has. so hes just going with the flow- with rose. he knows shes not his soulmate and not the woman hes suppose to have a fairytale with so he just wants fun. nothing serious- NOT THE FAIRYTALE just fun. although i really think derek needs to learn the concept of being alone.
*so yes i think the rose plot, trial plot and the therapist plot are all important.
george: he is also growing. hes not annoying anymore and hes becoming a man. he realized that he complained a lot and hes taking what he can get. his life has sucked lately with the divorce and becoming an intern again but hes making the best of it. love him with little tuck!
izzie: my least favorite character but hey, atleast she has less screen time and addison talked a little bit of sense in her.
alex-rebecca: kind of bored by that storyline but the last scene was really sad. something is seriously wrong with rebecca. the finale will have a lot of alex in it and i have a feeling were going to learn a lot more about this guy.
callie: i just dont understand how you go from thinking a man- george, is your mcdreamy, to sleeping with sloan, to being attracted to a woman by a kiss. i just find this storyline strange. i dont care what they do with it. if callie wants to be a lesbian, go for it. whatever just stop sleeping with sloan. i want that man to grow.
mark: speaking of mark. i want him with cristina. i dont know why but i think theyre both lonely and need love. im glad mark is also growing and getting more of a storyline. i just have one question- why does mark dislike meredith so much? they were friends in s2 and 3.
cristina: i know everyones mad at her but i have to admit her cleaning was funny. im glad were seeing cristina angry and sad about burke. she never talked nor grieved about it and its about time. she was left at the alter for gosh sakes! everyone needs to go crazy sometime. her speech to lexie at lunch table was rude but the end made up for it. when cristina and george were arguing and cristina brought up how george was burkes guy you could tell cristina missed him an was sad.
wow i typed a lot. the show is getting better and i love it!
May 16th, 2008 4:40 PM
I don't agree with your comments - especially about Callie/Hahn. Go back and watch from the beginning...I always thought Callie could be with women. While she has been "sleeping with guys"...was she really emotionally involved? No (only with George until he freaked out on her). Mark's been a sex buddy... There friendship will continue - infact she may even be pregnant by him. She will get involved in a relationship with Hahn regardless. At least its' something new -
Shonda and Betsy still have lots of ideas!
Cheers-
May 16th, 2008 5:19 PM
Meredith has always been doubting love. First she wanted Burke and Cristina's marriage to prove to herself that true love exists. When Burktina didn't get married she broke Derek's heart. Secondly, in this week's epi, Meredith was so sure that the tumor patient was making up her lover. When she finally realized that he did indeed exist, it essentially blew all her beliefs away. True love can exist for her, but she just didn't know how to deal with it. I think the therapist plot device will be used to make Mer realize what's she's been missing out by not being with Derek. Maybe the finale will work out.
May 16th, 2008 5:32 PM
first of all, bailey all the way because she is right about the luxury thing
i also think thought that when derek said to Rose, "cant' we just make this easier?"
i seriously thought he was gonna say, "i will and always ahve loved meredith"
that hahn+torres kiss was nuts & cally's reaction was utterly filled with shock
what was going throught her head?
the suicidal thing was extremely interesting as well
now in addition to the question about what was going through callie's head, what do u think that the shrink is gonna do to fix mer?
please answer i would like to see some ideas because i have none
May 16th, 2008 6:36 PM
I agree that this season has been boring and flat. The episode with Addison was pretty good, but I thought last night was terrible. . one of the worst. I had to go back and watch the entire season 2 collection to remind myself why I love this show. The only thing that has kept me watching is the promise of a MerDer reunion and the hope that the writers get it together next season and bring back the magic. The finale better be amazing (and better include the promised reunion) or I'm done and will be watching The Office next year. The character of Rose is awful and boring. . they need to get rid of her and move on. I also don't think the Callie/Hahn thing works, but they may surprise me. I feel like there's still so much possibility, but if the finale isn't amazing and the next season doesn't start off better than I'm very sorry to say that they will definitely lose a lot of viewers. Most people I know that haven't already jumped ship are just teetering on the edge. Maybe Shonda and the other writers should do what I did and watch season 2 for inspiration! Also, I miss the character of Burke. . sorry but I really do. Lexie has really grown on me. Please do something with Christina! She's an amazing actress. . give her something!
Here's hoping for a great finale!!!!! Please!!! We need it!
May 16th, 2008 7:06 PM
there was a poem quoted in last night's episode by wadsworth does anyone know the title of the poem.
May 16th, 2008 8:24 PM
another question, what is cristina gonna do?
what do you think that hahn was talking to the shrink about?
just curious
May 16th, 2008 9:10 PM
i think that rebecca is obviously delusional and alex doesn't want to admit it because then he would be in love with the crazy girl
i also think that lexi is most definitely growing on me although i feel this obligation to hate her because meredith hates her soooooo much
it was also really cute when alex was helping rebecca change her clothes
i also liked how clueless the chief was with the winking thing
the george-tuck thing was extremely cute as well
where was the poem recited?
May 17th, 2008 1:52 AM
i wish christina would pull her head out of rear and deal! her friens need the brutal honesty we all love her for! Meredith tell him you love him, Derek don't be so clingy give Mer some space. You do spend 24 hours together and the poor girl needs some space and doesn't have to deal with all her problems at once. Karev geese man, what is wrond with you she is sycho, I guess with all those brain surgeries not everything got fixed. You couldn't be the nice guy for every other nice girl. And last of all Tucker senior get over yourself lot's of families have Mr. Moms, You knew who you married, a smarter women! besides spend some recovery time with your son, brain surgery I would think takes some extensive recovery time. everyone just needs to get over thier ego!
May 17th, 2008 3:17 AM
getoverit is right. I just realized it when you said it that they see each other every single day and night and yet Derek wants more from her. It's like he wants her soul or something.
the chief's email made me laugh so hard. so funny.
May 17th, 2008 3:18 AM
i feel as if during the strike the writers had lots of time to think and the characters evolved in their minds but they didn't show that to us on the show so i always feel that there is something missing. like torres is not hostile with izzie and how did george and izzie's romance fizzled out?
i think eva/rebecca probably has the tumour and she'll be the last patient in the clinical trial
May 17th, 2008 7:38 AM
i don't know how i feel about season 4:part 2..i have some split opinions. it may seem boring but i think it is because there are CONSTANTLY deep underlying parallels..i mean, EVERYTHING in the show is incredibly symbolic..especially with mer/der and their trial. it's, in essence, a trial of whether or not their relationship can make it. and i personally think they are on the road to success now, with the whole actuality of andre from the last episode. basically you just have to watch and understand that the storylines are a story within a story..that probably doesn't make sense, but in any case, i'm trying to say that if you comprehend all the symbolism, it's extremely heartwrenching..at least for me.
however, it is getting a tad repetitive and very drawn out. all i can say is that thank goodness the finale is next week, because i don't know how much longer i could endure the wait for the climax!
May 17th, 2008 7:41 AM
oh and greysfan, i'm completely with you on your eva opinion..the minute i noticed something was fishy with her, that was my prediction! i think she'll be the first successful patient, and i think meredith wants to prove that this trial CAN work so she can be assured that her relationship with derek CAN work.
May 17th, 2008 8:23 AM
OMG!!! the ava thing would make SOOOO much sense!
It's like a lightbulb just went on in my head. Ava will make it through the surgery, realize she really still loves her husband (it was the tumor talking!), Alex will get depressed, Izzie will say " i told you so." and they will be happily ever after. As for Mer/Der... YEAH!!!! they finally get to break open that champagne cuz they "got it right!" (not only in the trial.... but in their relationship?) :) I'm so excited for the finale!!!
May 17th, 2008 1:00 PM
I think Shonda is not yet back to the greatness of previous seasons. I didn't like the beginning of this season. We are slowly getting back.
The announcement of Der and Mer finally being together made a lot of us keep on watching, because we now know we do not have to endurance all the terrible storylines and the terrible nurse Rose much longer.
May 17th, 2008 2:34 PM
urgh i m excited but also sad about the season finale
they always leave you hanging
they r sooooooooo bittersweet!
May 17th, 2008 7:32 PM
I luv it all, BUT ROSE GOT 2 GO. Everything else iz cool like a ice box. Serously, i cant wait in2 d season finale, Damn it. I just cant stand rose and what hell ups w/h jane doe/ava she got problems big tme. Dat crap iz crazy, and speakin' of bein' out there did yall check out Cristina cleanin' like she have lost it. Damn she should b on LOST.
Callie&Hahn wtf is all i got 2 say im ok with gay but how can she trun gay when she was just married. DAMN, i see Y she b runnin after mcsteamy and plus who wouldn't run after dat hahahahah.... wink!!!
May 17th, 2008 7:53 PM
You know I hate to think about it, but I can really see the whole mer/der/rose thing going very very bad. They open the champagne for their first surviving patient get together like at the prom, rose walks in on them. She leaves so mer/der can be together. In her angst of seeing them together she sleeps with mcsteamy in the vailed attempt to get over it! Then next season she pops up pregnant, ughhh! Then we will spend a whole season trying to find out who's kid it is. While Meridith broods on the whole Derek can't abandon Rose concept. Addison should have just kicked her ass when she had the chance, that would have been AWESOME!!
May 17th, 2008 8:16 PM
the kiss between callie and hahn left my mouth open for like ten minutes. that was a major new thing in the show. i think callies going to confront hahn and have a problem with her. i don't like hahn, shes to boring to be a character. i want her gone
rose and dereck need to be done. i don't mind her as a character but i don't want her with him. mer-der needs to happen, soon.
what was up with dereck snapping at meredith like that in the tumor ladies room?! i think he's realizing that him and rose were a stupid idea and taking it out on her. whateverr, i'm ready for the finale.
May 17th, 2008 10:24 PM
The show has definitely improved post-strike. The characters are back to having depth, the show flows better, there are less pratfalls. Whoever said the show got "flat" recently needs to re-evaluate. While I understand the frustration with the plot devices, they have to do anything they can to quickly reverse all the mistakes made pre-strike. So, cut the writers a break and let's hope Grey's gets makes it back to greatness once the post-strike recovery is complete. I personally think it's on its way.
May 17th, 2008 11:51 PM
What is wrong with some of you people? lol jk..
but seriously, the show has gotten so much better! remember the end of s3.. now that was crap! its getting better and i think some of you are missing the point with the clinical trials importance. shonda and betsy said this is what slowly brings them back together. some of you may think that last episode drove merder father apart but i think it did the exact opposite:
"delusional fantasy"= thats what love is to meredith. she never thinks its going to really happen, that things will be alright. thats the reason she was so eager to get cristina down that aisle to marry burke. she needed to see that it was possible to find true love and end up happy. and of course what happened? he left her at the alter. anyway in dereks mind theres that hope. that was why he was so hopeful this guy in her head was real because he believes in the fantasy. so wheres the progress, because mer did yell at der to not rescue her and der did question if he was ever happy with mer- well here it is:
Meredith: because of what happened with their patient: the fact that the guy did indeed show up, and it was too late. in episode 414 dr wyatt told meredith she was the dying patient with the love of her life in the next room. and the gay patient did end up dying alone with the love of his life in the room. the same thing happened with this woman. she believed and was still left alone. merediths realizing maybe she needs to believe. so the ending scene really said it all. meredith wants help! she confessed her biggest secret shes never told anyone that explain a lot! the fact that when mer was a kid her mother tried to kill herself because the love of her life left makes a lot of sense of why merediths so afraid to let love in. she did that once and the wife showed up. people say she should be over it by now- well if something like this happened to your mother doesnt it make sense shes so afraid that the same thing will happen to her. when dr wyatt was explaining to meredith that shes careless with her life it opened up her mind and made her realize shes doing the same thing her mother did- shes heading down that path. so now she realizes she needs help. or she will be derin or phillip or the woman patient from 415 (whts her name?). she'll die with derek just a room away- never being able to let him in. so the fact that she wants help and is realizing why she stuck her hand in a body cavity and didnt swim- she believed her mother; that she was a waste of space on this planet. she needs to believe in herself again before she can believe and trust derek.
derek: yeah ok i was pissed when he walked hand in hand with rose but after rewatching i understand a bit more now: meredith really hurt him when she said love only exists in delusional fantasies making derek think she didnt believe they were in and had love. derek needs reassurance that meredith does love him. while i really wanted derek to break up with rose what actually happened kind of broke my heart. derek gave up. hes giving up on the fantasy because he thinks meredith has. so hes just going with the flow- with rose. he knows shes not his soulmate and not the woman hes suppose to have a fairytale with so he just wants fun. nothing serious- NOT THE FAIRYTALE just fun. although i really think derek needs to learn the concept of being alone.
*so yes i think the rose plot, trial plot and the therapist plot are all important.
george: he is also growing. hes not annoying anymore and hes becoming a man. he realized that he complained a lot and hes taking what he can get. his life has sucked lately with the divorce and becoming an intern again but hes making the best of it. love him with little tuck!
izzie: my least favorite character but hey, atleast she has less screen time and addison talked a little bit of sense in her.
alex-rebecca: kind of bored by that storyline but the last scene was really sad. something is seriously wrong with rebecca. the finale will have a lot of alex in it and i have a feeling were going to learn a lot more about this guy.
callie: i just dont understand how you go from thinking a man- george, is your mcdreamy, to sleeping with sloan, to being attracted to a woman by a kiss. i just find this storyline strange. i dont care what they do with it. if callie wants to be a lesbian, go for it. whatever just stop sleeping with sloan. i want that man to grow.
mark: speaking of mark. i want him with cristina. i dont know why but i think theyre both lonely and need love. im glad mark is also growing and getting more of a storyline. i just have one question- why does mark dislike meredith so much? they were friends in s2 and 3.
cristina: i know everyones mad at her but i have to admit her cleaning was funny. im glad were seeing cristina angry and sad about burke. she never talked nor grieved about it and its about time. she was left at the alter for gosh sakes! everyone needs to go crazy sometime. her speech to lexie at lunch table was rude but the end made up for it. when cristina and george were arguing and cristina brought up how george was burkes guy you could tell cristina missed him an was sad.
wow i typed a lot. the show is getting better and i love it!