I would be feeling equally misused after having been led to think that, should I address my anger problems, it would effect my job status. I would also have to balance that with the cold reality of the option clause on my contract. The comments accusing him of not being sincere due to keeping his job being a motivation are a bit harsh, however. No matter the motivation, he still put himself through the process, at least exposing himself to a growth opportunity.
Do not get me wrong. I think Mr. Washington probably did have a pattern of behavior that made him difficult to work with. I think that as long as it was held 'in house' it was maybe tolerable. But once his problems created public personal problems for others - Mr. Knight - he became a liability for everyone he worked with.
I can empathize with the man, but having worked with a poisonous individual, I can tell you that everyone else is now breathing a sigh of relief.
I wish him well.
hafsa Says:
June 11th, 2007 8:00 AM
I personally think that season 4 will be really good simply because; Shonda and her team are obviously not stupid, they have already seen, heard and read some if not all the public and fans reactions. I am guessing they have also come to realize what has gone wrong so far with their once upon a time classic writing. Therefore, something tells me they are definately not just going to sit there and do nothing especially when so many fans are threathing to stop watching while some have already lost interest. As for Burke character, yes GA is not going to be the same without him, however, people will get used to it. Just two things though, if by any chance Shonda let something happens btw der and lexie, many fans me included will be very very upset and secondly, STOP THE GIZZIE storyline, it just doenst seem right.
steffi Says:
June 11th, 2007 9:31 AM
hi there! can I ask someone how do I join the forum? I keep opening up the forum but there is no way for me to post reply, it isnt clickable! I'd like to post my comments on this in the forum instead. thanks for the help! ^^ yes I couldnt imagine Cristina without Burke. It's like losing a soul. I hate the network for doing that to our fave couple x/
Sarah Says:
June 11th, 2007 9:33 AM
They fired him for a real reason.
I don't think IW is better than PD.
Patrick is a great actor and a lovable man. IW is only a good actor.
aha Says:
June 11th, 2007 10:13 AM
Sarah: IW is only a goog actor???
Then, if I might ask, how do you explain the awards he won???
And, by the way, do you know either PD or IW? How can you say that one of them is loveable and the other one is not? A person makes a mistake and that makes them unloveable???
Sorry, but your comment is just stupid!
steffi Says:
June 11th, 2007 10:23 AM
ok, i agree with you. it's pathetic to think that you have right to judge, punish or even forgive(!) Isaiah for the things that he did not do to you.
and btw many talks are there that Patrick Dempsey is not the most saintly angel either. does that mean we should hate him? =/
can anyone help me answer my prev question please? ^scroll ahead 2 posts. =] thanks!
Riley Says:
June 11th, 2007 10:23 AM
I'm glad he's gone. Did anyone see the E! interview where he had to stop it to tell them they need to be more organized?! okay and SERIOUSLY?! Going to rehab for saying a word- are you serious?!?! Is it just me, or is everytime a star does something socially unacceptable, they go to rehab?! I mean come on! What he needs is someone to hit him on the head and say, "How about trying to be courteous and respectful?!" I dunno, just my thought. Characterwise, Bourke was alright, although he wasn't my favorite still a good character-
I'll miss Bourke, but not Isaiah.
aha Says:
June 11th, 2007 11:10 AM
@steffi:
you have to scroll down on the page! There is one block that says "Meta"! You can register to the site and then you are a member and you are able to post in the forums!
Katie Says:
June 11th, 2007 2:22 PM
IW FIRED! This guy is an ACTOR! He played Burke so well --- finally, a young, cerebral, skillful black man who is not a cop or thug.
The relationship between Burke & Yang sizzles; both actors have real talent & FILL the screen! You are tossing THAT away!
No one really cares what IW said to whom on the set or anywhere else -- except the Gay Nation, of course. Did IW frighten TRK? Frankly, the guy whom he called a fagot is a fagot, really. Did he run crying to "mommy" or the "PC" police? Is he one of those helpless boys who needs protection?
TRK plays a Loser, looks like a Loser AND he got a raise? Does this mean he will have more face time?
George is one of the secondary characters who should have been culled. I surf the net when there are story lines that feature George. TRK is just unbelievably dull looking, curls, slack jaw & all. His "serious" facial expression seems to always be mouth open, slack jaw -- all that's needed is a dribble of drool. He doesn't "look smart enough" to play the role of a med school graduate.
I think that the only way for ABC to get it's money worth out of TRK is to "out" the character. Now, that would appease the Gay Nation & be quite a twist! It's too bad that he wasn't cast as a gay nurse transitioning to MD from the beginning. TRK looks perfect for the role!
Kat Says:
June 11th, 2007 2:39 PM
I think it's immature of TRK to go on various talk shows and make matters worse by repeating what Isaiah said. Honestly, IW tried his hardest to make things better and kept his patience when this was happening; he kept repeating that "TR Knight is a great man"... hell if I was Isaiah I wouldn't be saying that after TR made everything 10 times worse.
If any of my views have changed on the show, it is my view of TR Knight because I think it was really unneccesary for doing what he did.. he could have just dropped it. I realise IW has said some other things.. but lets be serious here, calling someone a faggot shouldn't be blown into this much drama.
aha Says:
June 11th, 2007 3:06 PM
Personally, I think that the whole matter made it very easy for TRK to out himself!
I mean, even if that hadn't happened, eventually he would have come out of the "closet"!
So - and I'm sure of that - without the gay slur incident people would have reacted differently than they did after IW's mistake!
When that happened and he was finally brave enough to tell the rest of the world he was pitied by almost everybody and there was absolutely no awkwardness whatsoever regarding his sexual orientation!
Everybody felt that they had to support "Bambi" and turn IW into the big bad wolve!
Please note: that's my personal opinion! It might not be exactly that way, but that's how I feel about the whole thing!
Thing 4 Ferry Boats Says:
June 11th, 2007 3:42 PM
TO JB:
Hey JB, did you know that people who are openly homophobic, like your idiot self, are actually found to be more turned on by homosexual behavior than those who have no problem with homosexuals. This comes from a proven scientific studyâ€"Google it. And who would have problems with homosexuals...they are BORN that way! And if you doubt this fact, look to species other than humans. Primates especially. And if you claim that homosexuals choose to be gay, I guess that means that you CHOSE to be straight. Ask yourself who would choose a life of oppression and hate crimes. Maybe that's why you chose to be straight...maybe you're afraid to let those true feelings show.....maybe you don't want a life of ridicule and oppression....maybe you're just a MORON like the majority of the human population is.
Sincerely,
An Informed, Rational, Intelligent Citizen
vicky Says:
June 11th, 2007 3:46 PM
i love IW and at first he was the ONLY reason i even watched the show. then as time went on, i grew to love christina yang as well. those two were the only reasons why i watched the show. merideth is the sorriest, neediest,whiniest chick i know. i want mcdreamy to have someone else. i'm tired of seeing him always giving in that relationship and not getting anything in return. She's a grown behind woman. I'm tired of seeing him babysitting his so called dark and twisty girlfriend. She's becoming more and more right for Omalley. That's just how dull she is. I 'm one that has no desire to continue to watch Greys now that IW is gone. If I do it's to see what Christina is going to do, or to hear her talk about him. Heck, whether or not chief gets his wife back is more interesting to me than the new interns or the new sister. everyone else is boring. they were using IW and they are still using him even though he is history. they gave him an enema mixed with alcohol and powdered glass, then screwed him with a broken bottle! and we're suppose to be okay with it. I'm sorry, they used that man. they wrote that amazing scene of him walking up the aisle to end things with the woman he loves, knowing that was the last time we were going to see him. he didn't even know that, that was the end for him. that show is not going to make it eventually. maybe in the first few episodes just to see how thiings pan out, but after that, people are going to be watching "the office' and "my name is earl" and whatever else comes on after that. they killed IW, and they killed the show. don't get me started on TR and his little best friend whinning and running their mouth on television over nothing. i blame them the most. what goes around comes around.
Carol Says:
June 11th, 2007 4:26 PM
The third season wrap-up makes sense now. Burke's apartment is cleaned out. Yang has no idea where he's gone. The first thing I said to myself when I saw that scene was, 'Isiah's not going to be back'. In my view, Shonda knew Isiah wasn't going to return and so wrote the show (or someone else wrote it) to reflect that.
If there's a lawsuit, will his attorney use that scene as proof of a pre-arranged situation to make it easier to just say 'so long'? I don't know, I'm not an attorney. But I think Isiah has grounds for a lawsuit. He may not win, but with all Isiah did (the PSA, etc.) some of which he was TOLD to do, it seems that ABC set up a situation (albeit unspoken) where Isiah would keep his job. If his attorney can prove that, all of this could come back to bite ABC in the butt.
As for 'should Isiah go back to Grey's to wrap up the storyline' (which WAS the original question here, folks) NO...Why would he WANT to?
I was very vocal here about the stuff Isiah said about TR Knight. I felt he should have been fired. But since he did what ABC wanted him to with the counseling and everything else, now I just feel sorry for him. I have no doubt Isiah will find steady work elsewhere.
K Says:
June 11th, 2007 4:51 PM
I agree, vicky. The only reason I watched the show was for Cristina & Burke. Seriously, they made the show.
Know what gets me? At the end of the season, everyone was wondering if both T.R Knight and Isaiah Washington were going to leave. Now we know IW is gone [ridiculous!] and TRK is still on. Look how many people are extremely disappointed & upset that Isaiah Washington won't be back, but nobody gave a damn that T.R. Knight is coming back...
That should show ABC that their choice to let IW go was very bad on their part...I hope it comes back to haunt them.
I hope IW gets his own show. That'd be great! The only reason I'll tune in to season 4 is to see Cristina cope & talk about Burke. That'll be interesting.
John Says:
June 11th, 2007 5:00 PM
Guys... are you out of your minds? The guy makes a comment against his own colleague, and then he does everything "just like they told him" to just keep his job. Of course he was going to leave the show, what he did was unacceptable and extremelly unethical. Regardless of who he is in the show, IW made a really big mistake saying what he said, and if he has SOME dignity he should not file a lawsuit against ABC, because HE just like everyone else know that he got what he deserved after his comments. He is making the situation even worse by saying that he did all they told him to do, that shows that he did it because of THEM, to keep his job, and not to renew his dignity. Whatever his character is on the show, he doesn't deserve to stay on the show. There are SO many better actors than him ,that's for sure. Grey's will be just fine because he wasn't the glue holding Grey's, please. Patrick Dempsey, Ellen Pompeo, Sandrah Oh, Katherine Heigl, T.R Knight, those are alll great actors and the character of Burke will be missed, but the comments he made, and everything he did afterwards just to keep his words won't be missed at all. I wish him good luck in his future career.
^^ is wrong. Says:
June 11th, 2007 6:11 PM
Hey John [^^^],
You're wrong! You should go and read Kate's comments [above ^^]. Especially #2!
You can't see into his heart hot4dempsey, although you have claimed to for quite some time. The people at GLAAD seemed to think he was sincere. They actually talked with him and he worked with them even contributing to the writing of the PSA. He did everything asked of him to save his job, as would you, but that does not mean that he wasn't sincere and didn't really try to make amends. I am so angry and disappointed in abc that they would treat him in this way. They used him to keep their ratings up through the rest of the season and then let him go. I will not support GA, ABC, or their sponsors after the complete and flagrant disreguard for this fine actor and good human being that they have shown who made a mistake, learned from it, and hopefully will go on to better things. TR certainly got his revenge. Hopefully everyone else on the cast will learn not to cross him. He has friends in media places.
I am a friend of Greys Says:
June 11th, 2007 7:21 PM
I think this whole thing was blown way out of proportion. I have heard people call other people every name in the book when they are angry. Yes from my co-workers. Yes words like faggot and queer. Did they get fired? No, because everyone says bad things about others when they are angry. I'm not saying it's right, I'm only saying it happens everywhere across the world. But we don't have to act like little kids who cry to the teacher because someone called us a mean name. Can't we act like adults who are mature enough to handle something like that? And I'm not even talking about TR. I guarentee he got over it a long time ago. I'm talking about the gay and lesbian alliance and the media who decided that they were going to whine about it for months.
I feel bad for IW. What if someone made you jump hoops for one word you said when you were having a bad day, and then still fired you for it? All you who are judging him, watch your mouths. YOU'RE ALL IN DANGER OF DESERVING TO BE FIRED!
I completely agree with Vicky. Isaiah made a lame comment and apologized for it. I don't understand why that wasn't enough way back in October. Instead TR decided his feelings were hurt and he was going to make Isaiah pay, and he has. Isaiah didn't call TR a slur on either occasion. TR overheard Isaiah use that word in reference to him. That is not the same thing as getting in his face and calling him a name. That is what he was trying to say at the Golden Globes. He certainly was not calling TR a slur when he responded to Ted Casablanca's direct question about the supposed slur. This is a word in our lexicon. He is not the first nor will he be the last to use it. It was called a slang word until we began to lose our freedom of speech in the name of political correctness. The media has twisted this around and made him out to be a villain when in fact he was the victim of TR's vendetta. After overhearing Isaiah use this word, TR went to the media and outed himself blaming it on his costar. TR went on Ellen and appealed to the pro gay audience and community for sympathy. After 8 months and both public and private apologies, TR let the Advocate believe that Isaiah had never apologized to him. I guess they were all lying on Oprah, Patrick Dempsey, James Pickens, Jr., TR, and Isaiah when they said James Pickens set them all down and they apologized and got back to work. Isaiah unintentionally hurt TR's feelings by referring to him by a slang expression for gay, now referred to as a slur. TR purposefully and with premeditation set out to destroy Isaiah's career and get him fired from the show. Who is the victim here? I find TR repulsive, not because of his sexual orientation, but because of his sanctimonious, self-righteous, "poor me" behavior. I will not miss him when I follow Isaiah to whatever new project he selects to undertake. According to "Denny" he is fielding offers from every other network. My only regret is that I won't get to see him play opposite Sandra Oh. They were magical together, and John, to each their own. Over a thousand fans on Bangsanatomy.com watched for Burke and Cristina. Many, many more watched for Meredith and Derek. The George and Izzie supporters are in the minority, in fact if you read the abc writer's blog, the fast majority found the relationship disgusting. They are all good actors. Isaiah is a brilliant actor whose understated performance was the perfect compliment to the quirky Sandra Oh. I loved them together and watched primarily for them. Justin Chambers, James Pickens, Jr., Chandra Wilson, and Patrick Dempsey have all stated that Isaiah was great in this show. Even Katherine Heigl, acknowledged his contribution to the success of the show. Don't downplay the importance of this character to the overall success of Grey's Anatomy.
Hi Steffi. You have to register and login in order to post on the forums now. This was new a few months back to try to keep the spammers off of the forums. It is an easy process to register.
Sarah, were you there? Do you know that even Patrick Dempsey has said that there were absolutely no punches thrown that it did not escalate beyond a verbal altercation? People are crucifying this guy based on speculation, rumor and innuendo. I admire Patrick Dempsey for coming out in support of Isaiah. He has on more than one occasion praised him as an actor and a castmate who takes the role seriously and is intense and passionate about his work.
Blackswan Says:
June 11th, 2007 7:51 PM
I am done with Grey's! I need black eye candy!
I need a black ken!
It was bad enough that he did get a Mic name now they have fired him. And by the way his slur was not racial it was sexual----get it right!!!!
Right now ABC is spreading rumors to justify their action. I wouldn't put too much stock into any of their statements at the moment.
joiedevivre Says:
June 11th, 2007 8:30 PM
I *SO* agree with Burke Backer.
1) He REFERRED to TR Knight as a faggot; he did not CALL him one to his face. TR Knight has no right to make a hooha out of it unless he steps up to confront Washington and set things straight. From what we know, TR Knight never did and instead went through the back door playing the hurt victim.
2) Right after the event happened, all who were interviewed said it was over in a flash; people apologized and they got on with work. The one who didn't get over it seems to be TR Knight alone. And the media.
Although I was taken aback at Washington's reaction during the Golden Globes, thinking that it was totally uncalled for, I think we're forgetting that the media has been giving him a hard time over the few months. Imagine a reference to your colleague in the office being blown up so much so that everyone starts asking you about it. Go through this public scrutiny for a few months and tell me you won't lose it and say NO I DIDN'T CALL HIM THAT, ENOUGH ALREADY!
And while I felt for TR Knight in the beginning, I don't anymore. His self-righteous and victimized behavior has gone on long enough over a term that high school kids throw at each other every single day. Like I said before, congratulations TR Knight and Heigl - you've driven away the colleague you couldn't get along with. Along with Washington's fans. And fans of Burke and Cristina. You popping the champagne yet?
June 11th, 2007 6:37 AM
I would be feeling equally misused after having been led to think that, should I address my anger problems, it would effect my job status. I would also have to balance that with the cold reality of the option clause on my contract. The comments accusing him of not being sincere due to keeping his job being a motivation are a bit harsh, however. No matter the motivation, he still put himself through the process, at least exposing himself to a growth opportunity.
Do not get me wrong. I think Mr. Washington probably did have a pattern of behavior that made him difficult to work with. I think that as long as it was held 'in house' it was maybe tolerable. But once his problems created public personal problems for others - Mr. Knight - he became a liability for everyone he worked with.
I can empathize with the man, but having worked with a poisonous individual, I can tell you that everyone else is now breathing a sigh of relief.
I wish him well.
June 11th, 2007 8:00 AM
I personally think that season 4 will be really good simply because; Shonda and her team are obviously not stupid, they have already seen, heard and read some if not all the public and fans reactions. I am guessing they have also come to realize what has gone wrong so far with their once upon a time classic writing. Therefore, something tells me they are definately not just going to sit there and do nothing especially when so many fans are threathing to stop watching while some have already lost interest. As for Burke character, yes GA is not going to be the same without him, however, people will get used to it. Just two things though, if by any chance Shonda let something happens btw der and lexie, many fans me included will be very very upset and secondly, STOP THE GIZZIE storyline, it just doenst seem right.
June 11th, 2007 9:31 AM
hi there! can I ask someone how do I join the forum? I keep opening up the forum but there is no way for me to post reply, it isnt clickable! I'd like to post my comments on this in the forum instead. thanks for the help! ^^ yes I couldnt imagine Cristina without Burke. It's like losing a soul. I hate the network for doing that to our fave couple x/
June 11th, 2007 9:33 AM
They fired him for a real reason.
I don't think IW is better than PD.
Patrick is a great actor and a lovable man. IW is only a good actor.
June 11th, 2007 10:13 AM
Sarah: IW is only a goog actor???
Then, if I might ask, how do you explain the awards he won???
And, by the way, do you know either PD or IW? How can you say that one of them is loveable and the other one is not? A person makes a mistake and that makes them unloveable???
Sorry, but your comment is just stupid!
June 11th, 2007 10:23 AM
ok, i agree with you. it's pathetic to think that you have right to judge, punish or even forgive(!) Isaiah for the things that he did not do to you.
and btw many talks are there that Patrick Dempsey is not the most saintly angel either. does that mean we should hate him? =/
can anyone help me answer my prev question please? ^scroll ahead 2 posts. =] thanks!
June 11th, 2007 10:23 AM
I'm glad he's gone. Did anyone see the E! interview where he had to stop it to tell them they need to be more organized?! okay and SERIOUSLY?! Going to rehab for saying a word- are you serious?!?! Is it just me, or is everytime a star does something socially unacceptable, they go to rehab?! I mean come on! What he needs is someone to hit him on the head and say, "How about trying to be courteous and respectful?!" I dunno, just my thought. Characterwise, Bourke was alright, although he wasn't my favorite still a good character-
I'll miss Bourke, but not Isaiah.
June 11th, 2007 11:10 AM
@steffi:
you have to scroll down on the page! There is one block that says "Meta"! You can register to the site and then you are a member and you are able to post in the forums!
June 11th, 2007 2:22 PM
IW FIRED! This guy is an ACTOR! He played Burke so well --- finally, a young, cerebral, skillful black man who is not a cop or thug.
The relationship between Burke & Yang sizzles; both actors have real talent & FILL the screen! You are tossing THAT away!
No one really cares what IW said to whom on the set or anywhere else -- except the Gay Nation, of course. Did IW frighten TRK? Frankly, the guy whom he called a fagot is a fagot, really. Did he run crying to "mommy" or the "PC" police? Is he one of those helpless boys who needs protection?
TRK plays a Loser, looks like a Loser AND he got a raise? Does this mean he will have more face time?
George is one of the secondary characters who should have been culled. I surf the net when there are story lines that feature George. TRK is just unbelievably dull looking, curls, slack jaw & all. His "serious" facial expression seems to always be mouth open, slack jaw -- all that's needed is a dribble of drool. He doesn't "look smart enough" to play the role of a med school graduate.
I think that the only way for ABC to get it's money worth out of TRK is to "out" the character. Now, that would appease the Gay Nation & be quite a twist! It's too bad that he wasn't cast as a gay nurse transitioning to MD from the beginning. TRK looks perfect for the role!
June 11th, 2007 2:39 PM
I think it's immature of TRK to go on various talk shows and make matters worse by repeating what Isaiah said. Honestly, IW tried his hardest to make things better and kept his patience when this was happening; he kept repeating that "TR Knight is a great man"... hell if I was Isaiah I wouldn't be saying that after TR made everything 10 times worse.
If any of my views have changed on the show, it is my view of TR Knight because I think it was really unneccesary for doing what he did.. he could have just dropped it. I realise IW has said some other things.. but lets be serious here, calling someone a faggot shouldn't be blown into this much drama.
June 11th, 2007 3:06 PM
Personally, I think that the whole matter made it very easy for TRK to out himself!
I mean, even if that hadn't happened, eventually he would have come out of the "closet"!
So - and I'm sure of that - without the gay slur incident people would have reacted differently than they did after IW's mistake!
When that happened and he was finally brave enough to tell the rest of the world he was pitied by almost everybody and there was absolutely no awkwardness whatsoever regarding his sexual orientation!
Everybody felt that they had to support "Bambi" and turn IW into the big bad wolve!
Please note: that's my personal opinion! It might not be exactly that way, but that's how I feel about the whole thing!
June 11th, 2007 3:42 PM
TO JB:
Hey JB, did you know that people who are openly homophobic, like your idiot self, are actually found to be more turned on by homosexual behavior than those who have no problem with homosexuals. This comes from a proven scientific studyâ€"Google it. And who would have problems with homosexuals...they are BORN that way! And if you doubt this fact, look to species other than humans. Primates especially. And if you claim that homosexuals choose to be gay, I guess that means that you CHOSE to be straight. Ask yourself who would choose a life of oppression and hate crimes. Maybe that's why you chose to be straight...maybe you're afraid to let those true feelings show.....maybe you don't want a life of ridicule and oppression....maybe you're just a MORON like the majority of the human population is.
Sincerely,
An Informed, Rational, Intelligent Citizen
June 11th, 2007 3:46 PM
i love IW and at first he was the ONLY reason i even watched the show. then as time went on, i grew to love christina yang as well. those two were the only reasons why i watched the show. merideth is the sorriest, neediest,whiniest chick i know. i want mcdreamy to have someone else. i'm tired of seeing him always giving in that relationship and not getting anything in return. She's a grown behind woman. I'm tired of seeing him babysitting his so called dark and twisty girlfriend. She's becoming more and more right for Omalley. That's just how dull she is. I 'm one that has no desire to continue to watch Greys now that IW is gone. If I do it's to see what Christina is going to do, or to hear her talk about him. Heck, whether or not chief gets his wife back is more interesting to me than the new interns or the new sister. everyone else is boring. they were using IW and they are still using him even though he is history. they gave him an enema mixed with alcohol and powdered glass, then screwed him with a broken bottle! and we're suppose to be okay with it. I'm sorry, they used that man. they wrote that amazing scene of him walking up the aisle to end things with the woman he loves, knowing that was the last time we were going to see him. he didn't even know that, that was the end for him. that show is not going to make it eventually. maybe in the first few episodes just to see how thiings pan out, but after that, people are going to be watching "the office' and "my name is earl" and whatever else comes on after that. they killed IW, and they killed the show. don't get me started on TR and his little best friend whinning and running their mouth on television over nothing. i blame them the most. what goes around comes around.
June 11th, 2007 4:26 PM
The third season wrap-up makes sense now. Burke's apartment is cleaned out. Yang has no idea where he's gone. The first thing I said to myself when I saw that scene was, 'Isiah's not going to be back'. In my view, Shonda knew Isiah wasn't going to return and so wrote the show (or someone else wrote it) to reflect that.
If there's a lawsuit, will his attorney use that scene as proof of a pre-arranged situation to make it easier to just say 'so long'? I don't know, I'm not an attorney. But I think Isiah has grounds for a lawsuit. He may not win, but with all Isiah did (the PSA, etc.) some of which he was TOLD to do, it seems that ABC set up a situation (albeit unspoken) where Isiah would keep his job. If his attorney can prove that, all of this could come back to bite ABC in the butt.
As for 'should Isiah go back to Grey's to wrap up the storyline' (which WAS the original question here, folks) NO...Why would he WANT to?
I was very vocal here about the stuff Isiah said about TR Knight. I felt he should have been fired. But since he did what ABC wanted him to with the counseling and everything else, now I just feel sorry for him. I have no doubt Isiah will find steady work elsewhere.
June 11th, 2007 4:51 PM
I agree, vicky. The only reason I watched the show was for Cristina & Burke. Seriously, they made the show.
Know what gets me? At the end of the season, everyone was wondering if both T.R Knight and Isaiah Washington were going to leave. Now we know IW is gone [ridiculous!] and TRK is still on. Look how many people are extremely disappointed & upset that Isaiah Washington won't be back, but nobody gave a damn that T.R. Knight is coming back...
That should show ABC that their choice to let IW go was very bad on their part...I hope it comes back to haunt them.
I hope IW gets his own show. That'd be great! The only reason I'll tune in to season 4 is to see Cristina cope & talk about Burke. That'll be interesting.
June 11th, 2007 5:00 PM
Guys... are you out of your minds? The guy makes a comment against his own colleague, and then he does everything "just like they told him" to just keep his job. Of course he was going to leave the show, what he did was unacceptable and extremelly unethical. Regardless of who he is in the show, IW made a really big mistake saying what he said, and if he has SOME dignity he should not file a lawsuit against ABC, because HE just like everyone else know that he got what he deserved after his comments. He is making the situation even worse by saying that he did all they told him to do, that shows that he did it because of THEM, to keep his job, and not to renew his dignity. Whatever his character is on the show, he doesn't deserve to stay on the show. There are SO many better actors than him ,that's for sure. Grey's will be just fine because he wasn't the glue holding Grey's, please. Patrick Dempsey, Ellen Pompeo, Sandrah Oh, Katherine Heigl, T.R Knight, those are alll great actors and the character of Burke will be missed, but the comments he made, and everything he did afterwards just to keep his words won't be missed at all. I wish him good luck in his future career.
June 11th, 2007 6:11 PM
Hey John [^^^],
You're wrong! You should go and read Kate's comments [above ^^]. Especially #2!
June 11th, 2007 7:18 PM
You can't see into his heart hot4dempsey, although you have claimed to for quite some time. The people at GLAAD seemed to think he was sincere. They actually talked with him and he worked with them even contributing to the writing of the PSA. He did everything asked of him to save his job, as would you, but that does not mean that he wasn't sincere and didn't really try to make amends. I am so angry and disappointed in abc that they would treat him in this way. They used him to keep their ratings up through the rest of the season and then let him go. I will not support GA, ABC, or their sponsors after the complete and flagrant disreguard for this fine actor and good human being that they have shown who made a mistake, learned from it, and hopefully will go on to better things. TR certainly got his revenge. Hopefully everyone else on the cast will learn not to cross him. He has friends in media places.
June 11th, 2007 7:21 PM
I think this whole thing was blown way out of proportion. I have heard people call other people every name in the book when they are angry. Yes from my co-workers. Yes words like faggot and queer. Did they get fired? No, because everyone says bad things about others when they are angry. I'm not saying it's right, I'm only saying it happens everywhere across the world. But we don't have to act like little kids who cry to the teacher because someone called us a mean name. Can't we act like adults who are mature enough to handle something like that? And I'm not even talking about TR. I guarentee he got over it a long time ago. I'm talking about the gay and lesbian alliance and the media who decided that they were going to whine about it for months.
I feel bad for IW. What if someone made you jump hoops for one word you said when you were having a bad day, and then still fired you for it? All you who are judging him, watch your mouths. YOU'RE ALL IN DANGER OF DESERVING TO BE FIRED!
June 11th, 2007 7:38 PM
I completely agree with Vicky. Isaiah made a lame comment and apologized for it. I don't understand why that wasn't enough way back in October. Instead TR decided his feelings were hurt and he was going to make Isaiah pay, and he has. Isaiah didn't call TR a slur on either occasion. TR overheard Isaiah use that word in reference to him. That is not the same thing as getting in his face and calling him a name. That is what he was trying to say at the Golden Globes. He certainly was not calling TR a slur when he responded to Ted Casablanca's direct question about the supposed slur. This is a word in our lexicon. He is not the first nor will he be the last to use it. It was called a slang word until we began to lose our freedom of speech in the name of political correctness. The media has twisted this around and made him out to be a villain when in fact he was the victim of TR's vendetta. After overhearing Isaiah use this word, TR went to the media and outed himself blaming it on his costar. TR went on Ellen and appealed to the pro gay audience and community for sympathy. After 8 months and both public and private apologies, TR let the Advocate believe that Isaiah had never apologized to him. I guess they were all lying on Oprah, Patrick Dempsey, James Pickens, Jr., TR, and Isaiah when they said James Pickens set them all down and they apologized and got back to work. Isaiah unintentionally hurt TR's feelings by referring to him by a slang expression for gay, now referred to as a slur. TR purposefully and with premeditation set out to destroy Isaiah's career and get him fired from the show. Who is the victim here? I find TR repulsive, not because of his sexual orientation, but because of his sanctimonious, self-righteous, "poor me" behavior. I will not miss him when I follow Isaiah to whatever new project he selects to undertake. According to "Denny" he is fielding offers from every other network. My only regret is that I won't get to see him play opposite Sandra Oh. They were magical together, and John, to each their own. Over a thousand fans on Bangsanatomy.com watched for Burke and Cristina. Many, many more watched for Meredith and Derek. The George and Izzie supporters are in the minority, in fact if you read the abc writer's blog, the fast majority found the relationship disgusting. They are all good actors. Isaiah is a brilliant actor whose understated performance was the perfect compliment to the quirky Sandra Oh. I loved them together and watched primarily for them. Justin Chambers, James Pickens, Jr., Chandra Wilson, and Patrick Dempsey have all stated that Isaiah was great in this show. Even Katherine Heigl, acknowledged his contribution to the success of the show. Don't downplay the importance of this character to the overall success of Grey's Anatomy.
June 11th, 2007 7:45 PM
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June 11th, 2007 7:50 PM
Sarah, were you there? Do you know that even Patrick Dempsey has said that there were absolutely no punches thrown that it did not escalate beyond a verbal altercation? People are crucifying this guy based on speculation, rumor and innuendo. I admire Patrick Dempsey for coming out in support of Isaiah. He has on more than one occasion praised him as an actor and a castmate who takes the role seriously and is intense and passionate about his work.
June 11th, 2007 7:51 PM
I am done with Grey's! I need black eye candy!
I need a black ken!
It was bad enough that he did get a Mic name now they have fired him. And by the way his slur was not racial it was sexual----get it right!!!!
June 11th, 2007 7:52 PM
Right now ABC is spreading rumors to justify their action. I wouldn't put too much stock into any of their statements at the moment.
June 11th, 2007 8:30 PM
I *SO* agree with Burke Backer.
1) He REFERRED to TR Knight as a faggot; he did not CALL him one to his face. TR Knight has no right to make a hooha out of it unless he steps up to confront Washington and set things straight. From what we know, TR Knight never did and instead went through the back door playing the hurt victim.
2) Right after the event happened, all who were interviewed said it was over in a flash; people apologized and they got on with work. The one who didn't get over it seems to be TR Knight alone. And the media.
Although I was taken aback at Washington's reaction during the Golden Globes, thinking that it was totally uncalled for, I think we're forgetting that the media has been giving him a hard time over the few months. Imagine a reference to your colleague in the office being blown up so much so that everyone starts asking you about it. Go through this public scrutiny for a few months and tell me you won't lose it and say NO I DIDN'T CALL HIM THAT, ENOUGH ALREADY!
And while I felt for TR Knight in the beginning, I don't anymore. His self-righteous and victimized behavior has gone on long enough over a term that high school kids throw at each other every single day. Like I said before, congratulations TR Knight and Heigl - you've driven away the colleague you couldn't get along with. Along with Washington's fans. And fans of Burke and Cristina. You popping the champagne yet?