TR Knight said in several interveiws that IW said the f bomb to him directly now they are trying to spin it as "TR never said the remarks were made to him. yet alot of you poeple are still saying IW said it to him directly, also there was never a fist fight and if you beilieve IW story he was egged on by TR knight to confront PD because of his so called egosintrical behavior which lead to the whole incident in the first place. Why is TRK words just so stellar he has blatantly overblown the truth and in some instances flat out lied, he has used this to get ahead he also changed his story in the last few months yet IW who spoke no harsh words about his castmates kept his mouth shut about the incident and who was loyal enough not to speak of this(while other were smiling on TV talking about iit and him) until he was let go, the same man who for over 20 years has worked for gay rights who story has not wavered words draw other words like conspiracy theory and sour grapes.The proof of what IW said was in front of your eyes the whole second half of the season. No one else wondered how kooky ackward Goerge all of a sudden is super stud man? I did and that was before all of this "crazy" conspiracy talk. He went from being IMO the most expendable character to a leading man and all it took was another mans reputation and job.TR got a raise more screen time and a larger fan base. I guess if theres no "conspiracy" maybe he was just lucky that IW used the Fbomb and he just happend to be gay and knew some of the people there when it happend.
aha Says:
June 27th, 2007 3:31 AM
First of all: Thank you, greysanatomyinsider, that you don't let this die down! All IW's fans are interested in what is going on in his life, even if he is not a part of GAs anymore!
BurkeBacker: thank you, you are always expressing what I feel and think!
nicola Says:
June 27th, 2007 6:17 AM
did anyone actually see tr knight on the ellen show? you'd notice if he was telling lies, or acting and he clearly wasnt, he was very reluctant in saying the f-word, and he doesnt seem like the kind of guy to be spreading rumors to up his image, its not like hes been in the spotlight long enough to understand it, hes a stage actor for chrissake and nothing like what hollywood is like now, and its not like hes shouted from the rooftops 'isaiah called me a faggot, fire him!', so i hope isaiah just shuts it and gets on with his life and lets tr get on with his
dixiegirl Says:
June 27th, 2007 7:02 AM
Y'all might want to see PD's statement from the last few days....it's quoted on the TWOP site...
Donna Says:
June 27th, 2007 7:05 AM
Yeah, I thought it was weird that Isaiah mentioned Patrick, but who knows?? Maybe Patrick gave him the ok?! We don't know, so we can't judge! And Isaiah is the only one talking because he's no longer "loyal" to ABC. Patrick and TR still do, and that's probably why we don't hear much of their story!!
Lou Says:
June 27th, 2007 7:13 AM
I can't find PD's comments on TWOP - am I blind?!!
Donna Says:
June 27th, 2007 7:21 AM
Ok dumb question what is TWOP?
Dottir Says:
June 27th, 2007 7:21 AM
Right on Nicola !
To Sabrina, not only have you proven that you don't need good judgment to work in PR but it also seems to make you presumptious. How in the world do you know where I work ?
You don't get to decide who can comment.
Whether or not I work in PR, I say IW is a flaming idiot and he should keep quiet!
Bobbi Says:
June 27th, 2007 8:03 AM
Yes I saw TR on Ellen and he said flat out, "I walked onto the set and heard Isaiah use the f* word to Patrick." But BOTH ISAIAH AND PATRICK HAVE SAID THAT TR WAS NOT ON THE SET THAT DAY!!!! so, personally, i think i am starting to believe Isaiah side of the story more than TR's.
Christina Says:
June 27th, 2007 8:03 AM
Ok first thing, if T.R., Patrick or any other cast member had called Isiah the n-wrod, there would have been no hesitation in firing them to keep them from saying in front of a national audience at the Golden Globes. Obvouisly he deserved to be fired, and he is as stubborn as all the reports say he is, because he just won't drop it.
VICKY Says:
June 27th, 2007 9:12 AM
YALL JUST NEED TO LEAVE MY MAN ALONE!!!! HE AIN'T NO PUNK!!! THAT'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS!!!
Delisa Says:
June 27th, 2007 9:52 AM
Christina Obvouisly your white, the n word, and nappy head hoes is spoken by whte americans with no big hoop dee doo, white american has done so long you all think nothing of it!!!!
sabrina Says:
June 27th, 2007 10:03 AM
I can't wait for the Larry King interview, hopefully, it will shed more light on the subject because he is in person rather than written words. I know people who have worked with Washington and think he is an upstanding man. GLAAD members have come out and totally supported Washington. One member even said Washington has done more for the gay community than Knight ever has. Knight has been lieing since the beginning. Knight was a struggling actor before Grey's and best believe he will do anything to keep and further his career - even if it means double crossing someone over. Heigl's career was pretty much crap before Grey's too (in Roswell she was horrible!!). I do think Heigl has proven herself (now) to be a good actress but her mouthing off was a media stunt too. The media will print anything that makes people watch their program or buy their print copies. Grey's cast members are not coming out because ABC will sue them. Morgan came out because he has no ties to ABC. ABC has a LONG history of being racist (they have fired over 5 black actors in the last two years for no "real" reason....ie "ABC has no comment"). CBS, FOX, FX, and NBC are fighting to sign Washington into contracts. Washington has two future films coming out. Grey's season 3 was BS in my eyes. I can think of maybe a handful of good scenes that stick out (izzie in the hallway and denny looking at her from beyond, burke's vows, the whole thanksgiving day episode). That's sad....because season 2 and 1 were AMAZING. Season 3's ferry arc was beyond stupid. Grey and McDreamy will they/won't they story line is beyond flatlined-already in the ground buried-8 years later old. Not to mention its a total rip off from Ross and Rachael but at least even them wouldn't break up every other episode (they'd more like break up every other season so they wouldn't piss off their fans). Grey's is crashing, which sucks, because that show could have been something amazing. Washington is lucky to get out while he can....then again Grey's could have been brought back to life if Washington was still in it!
Oh and Dottir, I know you are not in PR because you have clearly demonstrated you do not know anything about it. I also did not say you cannot comment on Grey's. I said you shouldn't comment on PR since you know nothing about it. But as usual, you jumped to conclusions about what someone said.
Dottir has clearly demonstrated how things can be twisted...kind of like the whole Washington situation.
nicola Says:
June 27th, 2007 10:08 AM
when did they say that tr wasnt there on the set? and he said, on the ellen show, that isaiah reffered to him as a faggot and everyone heard it, and the way he said it, it just doesnt seem like a lie to me, honestly who would you be inclined to believe more at this point from watching interviews with both men, tr knight or isaiah washington, and i heard that this wasnt the first time isaiah has gotten in trouble, something happened onset of something he did years ago
Steffi Says:
June 27th, 2007 11:09 AM
People! I think you should all need to read the whole interview before judging IW! =/
I'm sad to see how this site uses only one small part of what Isaiah said to mislead readers! What happened, Insiders?????
PLEASE read the WHOLE interview before you judge.
It's much different than the impression given after you read what it partly said in this site. IW didnt blame PD or drag him to put any blame to him. He had good reasons as to why PD is right all along. Some people pointed to me that PD and TR's scenes together always look weird. I'm not sure about you guys, but I kinda see it too. I hope to see the truths come out at Larry King.
I followed the whole story from the beginning and yes TR was not on the set when it happened and during Oprah's visit PD and IW clearly said that the problem was solved. TR changed his attitude after the GG (see Burke Backer explanation of the GG story) because he knew he was visiting Ellen a few days later? Like someone mentioned how strange that his GA career took off after the "slur" went public. And if ABC has fired so many black actors why isn't the black community making more fuss about this?
Who is "protecting" TR inside ABC management? (and I am watching my words)
Donna Says:
June 27th, 2007 1:33 PM
It is so very sad what the world we live in has come to. Morals are slim to none, and people treat each other like scum. Please, please, please let us stop and think what a beautiful world this could be if we only learn to treat each other with respect, and common decency. Regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, this world is large enough for all of us to get along. I know this is all wishful thinking, but a good thought.
Iceman Says:
June 27th, 2007 2:10 PM
Look at all the disinformation in this thread, mostly stated by TRK backers. IW did not get into a fight with PD,TR knight(despite his Ellen interview comments) was not there when the statement was made, IW didnt dog PD in anyway in his interveiw he even said PD was one of his best friends on the set. Why bring PD into it? Well if no one will beleive him why not mention someone else who was there who would have nothing to gain by telling the truth. As for comparing the slur IW made to the nword is just stupid. Being homosexual is a lifestyle choice. a person could even be born gay but they still have a choice of being openly gay or not. Also no one is being hosed down in the streets and havin dogs called on them for the gay rights movement. Dont get me wrong i respect anyone who fight for a just cause. But a simple fact is that from the moment anyone sees you they know your black theres no hiding it or the pain and deaths that word had led to just like no black person would compare the Nword with any Jewish slur. Some atrocities and the word used during them cant be compared to.
Didi Says:
June 27th, 2007 2:17 PM
Carol, I am not so emotionally involved that I cannot be objective; I am merely trying to understand where each of the parties in this sorry game is coming from. Look at the facts, remove all the conjecture, rumours and lies and all I see is that IW has lost the most (for now at least) HE is the victim - his job, livelihood, reputation shredded because of a leaked in-house fight that somehow became a national story. Stupid regrettable words said in a heated moment, quickly forgotten by the two people involved (PD & IW) but used by an opportunistic man (who just happens to be gay) who was dissatisfied with his character and saw this as a chance to do something about it. Aided and abetted by his fellow opportunist KH. So yes I support him 100% in his bid to clear his name. IW can be outspoken, yes but that does not make him the villain in this tale. I fully agree with what Burke Backer said - bringing in PD to perhaps add weight to his comments - to show that from way back TRK might have been known to be resentful of others who he felt had better roles than himself.
His co-stars are distancing themselves? Maybe so but have you thought that they might not want to rock the gravy boat? Remember it's each man for himself and there's a million actors ready to take your place so noones taking any chances with ABC, besides this his co-stars have seen how public opinion swung away from IW and will not want to jeopardise their careers for him. Just the way of the world I giuess...or Hollywood.
Again I agree with Burke Backer - I don't think a lawsuit will be neccessary, ABC probably consulted the best lawyers to make their case watertight; it would be a waste of IW time and resources going after them.
McYummyMyTummy Says:
June 27th, 2007 2:37 PM
Seriously?!?
I used to feel somewhat bad for IW, but now, he's digging his own grave, all this stuff about TR should be the one fired. STUPID....TR's not even making the huge deal about it..................it's him. Just forget about it, you made a mistake and now you have to pay. Don't throw everyone else under the bus.
Plus, when you think about it, us viewers are the ones who are really going to pay for it, all this relationship animosity. IW gives Grey's a bad name........which is sad...b/c this show had long-time potential.
Iceman Says:
June 27th, 2007 8:44 PM
TR didnt make a big deal about it? Are you daft? IW was quite about this for 8 months while TRK has told everyone with a mic or a pen how IW called him the Fbonb, which as it turned out was not true. Now IW feels is his time to tell the real story. i just dont understand why everyone is taking TR at his word (which has been proven not credible)just because Goerge on the show is a nice good guy doesnt mean that TRK is.
Isn't it strange that ABC did all this in the beginning of the summer break probably to make sure that fans would have almost 4 months to forget about it. It is like tax and products increases and governmental negative decisions these always happen during the summer months when people are gone enjoying a break and are miles away from their daily problems.
JL Says:
June 27th, 2007 9:46 PM
Why is Isiah trying to ruin a perfectly good show by dragging all this drama into it? Do you think anyone is going to want to hire him after him being a drama king? Just let it go... find new work. Yes it sucks.. but get over it! Grey's Anatomy better make a fine comeback after this!
Debs Says:
June 28th, 2007 5:05 AM
Just let Donna know TWOP stands fof television without pity. I havn´t found PD´s comments yet.
nicola Says:
June 28th, 2007 5:54 AM
PD said that he wished IW well and that everyone who was coming back to the set deserved to be back, something like that anyway, and no, TR did not tell everyone with a mic or a pen, he told people magazine and said it on the ellen show, that was it, and how d'you know its not true? just because IW said so? no one will ever know what happened onset that day,so theres no point in passing judgements, but what IW is saying about TR now, that hes forcing the writers and producers hands to up his storylines(which isnt true btw, cause shonda said herself that the george/izzie storyline was potential from the start of the show, i mean seriously, he doesnt have that sort of power, lol) and that they fired the wrong guy is well, wrong, and TR is doing the right thing by staying quiet, IW needs to be a professional in this and i hope he can move on
June 27th, 2007 2:01 AM
TR Knight said in several interveiws that IW said the f bomb to him directly now they are trying to spin it as "TR never said the remarks were made to him. yet alot of you poeple are still saying IW said it to him directly, also there was never a fist fight and if you beilieve IW story he was egged on by TR knight to confront PD because of his so called egosintrical behavior which lead to the whole incident in the first place. Why is TRK words just so stellar he has blatantly overblown the truth and in some instances flat out lied, he has used this to get ahead he also changed his story in the last few months yet IW who spoke no harsh words about his castmates kept his mouth shut about the incident and who was loyal enough not to speak of this(while other were smiling on TV talking about iit and him) until he was let go, the same man who for over 20 years has worked for gay rights who story has not wavered words draw other words like conspiracy theory and sour grapes.The proof of what IW said was in front of your eyes the whole second half of the season. No one else wondered how kooky ackward Goerge all of a sudden is super stud man? I did and that was before all of this "crazy" conspiracy talk. He went from being IMO the most expendable character to a leading man and all it took was another mans reputation and job.TR got a raise more screen time and a larger fan base. I guess if theres no "conspiracy" maybe he was just lucky that IW used the Fbomb and he just happend to be gay and knew some of the people there when it happend.
June 27th, 2007 3:31 AM
First of all: Thank you, greysanatomyinsider, that you don't let this die down! All IW's fans are interested in what is going on in his life, even if he is not a part of GAs anymore!
BurkeBacker: thank you, you are always expressing what I feel and think!
June 27th, 2007 6:17 AM
did anyone actually see tr knight on the ellen show? you'd notice if he was telling lies, or acting and he clearly wasnt, he was very reluctant in saying the f-word, and he doesnt seem like the kind of guy to be spreading rumors to up his image, its not like hes been in the spotlight long enough to understand it, hes a stage actor for chrissake and nothing like what hollywood is like now, and its not like hes shouted from the rooftops 'isaiah called me a faggot, fire him!', so i hope isaiah just shuts it and gets on with his life and lets tr get on with his
June 27th, 2007 7:02 AM
Y'all might want to see PD's statement from the last few days....it's quoted on the TWOP site...
June 27th, 2007 7:05 AM
Yeah, I thought it was weird that Isaiah mentioned Patrick, but who knows?? Maybe Patrick gave him the ok?! We don't know, so we can't judge! And Isaiah is the only one talking because he's no longer "loyal" to ABC. Patrick and TR still do, and that's probably why we don't hear much of their story!!
June 27th, 2007 7:13 AM
I can't find PD's comments on TWOP - am I blind?!!
June 27th, 2007 7:21 AM
Ok dumb question what is TWOP?
June 27th, 2007 7:21 AM
Right on Nicola !
To Sabrina, not only have you proven that you don't need good judgment to work in PR but it also seems to make you presumptious. How in the world do you know where I work ?
You don't get to decide who can comment.
Whether or not I work in PR, I say IW is a flaming idiot and he should keep quiet!
June 27th, 2007 8:03 AM
Yes I saw TR on Ellen and he said flat out, "I walked onto the set and heard Isaiah use the f* word to Patrick." But BOTH ISAIAH AND PATRICK HAVE SAID THAT TR WAS NOT ON THE SET THAT DAY!!!! so, personally, i think i am starting to believe Isaiah side of the story more than TR's.
June 27th, 2007 8:03 AM
Ok first thing, if T.R., Patrick or any other cast member had called Isiah the n-wrod, there would have been no hesitation in firing them to keep them from saying in front of a national audience at the Golden Globes. Obvouisly he deserved to be fired, and he is as stubborn as all the reports say he is, because he just won't drop it.
June 27th, 2007 9:12 AM
YALL JUST NEED TO LEAVE MY MAN ALONE!!!! HE AIN'T NO PUNK!!! THAT'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS!!!
June 27th, 2007 9:52 AM
Christina Obvouisly your white, the n word, and nappy head hoes is spoken by whte americans with no big hoop dee doo, white american has done so long you all think nothing of it!!!!
June 27th, 2007 10:03 AM
I can't wait for the Larry King interview, hopefully, it will shed more light on the subject because he is in person rather than written words. I know people who have worked with Washington and think he is an upstanding man. GLAAD members have come out and totally supported Washington. One member even said Washington has done more for the gay community than Knight ever has. Knight has been lieing since the beginning. Knight was a struggling actor before Grey's and best believe he will do anything to keep and further his career - even if it means double crossing someone over. Heigl's career was pretty much crap before Grey's too (in Roswell she was horrible!!). I do think Heigl has proven herself (now) to be a good actress but her mouthing off was a media stunt too. The media will print anything that makes people watch their program or buy their print copies. Grey's cast members are not coming out because ABC will sue them. Morgan came out because he has no ties to ABC. ABC has a LONG history of being racist (they have fired over 5 black actors in the last two years for no "real" reason....ie "ABC has no comment"). CBS, FOX, FX, and NBC are fighting to sign Washington into contracts. Washington has two future films coming out. Grey's season 3 was BS in my eyes. I can think of maybe a handful of good scenes that stick out (izzie in the hallway and denny looking at her from beyond, burke's vows, the whole thanksgiving day episode). That's sad....because season 2 and 1 were AMAZING. Season 3's ferry arc was beyond stupid. Grey and McDreamy will they/won't they story line is beyond flatlined-already in the ground buried-8 years later old. Not to mention its a total rip off from Ross and Rachael but at least even them wouldn't break up every other episode (they'd more like break up every other season so they wouldn't piss off their fans). Grey's is crashing, which sucks, because that show could have been something amazing. Washington is lucky to get out while he can....then again Grey's could have been brought back to life if Washington was still in it!
Oh and Dottir, I know you are not in PR because you have clearly demonstrated you do not know anything about it. I also did not say you cannot comment on Grey's. I said you shouldn't comment on PR since you know nothing about it. But as usual, you jumped to conclusions about what someone said.
Dottir has clearly demonstrated how things can be twisted...kind of like the whole Washington situation.
June 27th, 2007 10:08 AM
when did they say that tr wasnt there on the set? and he said, on the ellen show, that isaiah reffered to him as a faggot and everyone heard it, and the way he said it, it just doesnt seem like a lie to me, honestly who would you be inclined to believe more at this point from watching interviews with both men, tr knight or isaiah washington, and i heard that this wasnt the first time isaiah has gotten in trouble, something happened onset of something he did years ago
June 27th, 2007 11:09 AM
People! I think you should all need to read the whole interview before judging IW! =/
I'm sad to see how this site uses only one small part of what Isaiah said to mislead readers! What happened, Insiders?????
PLEASE read the WHOLE interview before you judge.
It's much different than the impression given after you read what it partly said in this site. IW didnt blame PD or drag him to put any blame to him. He had good reasons as to why PD is right all along. Some people pointed to me that PD and TR's scenes together always look weird. I'm not sure about you guys, but I kinda see it too. I hope to see the truths come out at Larry King.
AND I'm seriously so upset about this site!!!! X/
June 27th, 2007 11:45 AM
I followed the whole story from the beginning and yes TR was not on the set when it happened and during Oprah's visit PD and IW clearly said that the problem was solved. TR changed his attitude after the GG (see Burke Backer explanation of the GG story) because he knew he was visiting Ellen a few days later? Like someone mentioned how strange that his GA career took off after the "slur" went public. And if ABC has fired so many black actors why isn't the black community making more fuss about this?
Who is "protecting" TR inside ABC management? (and I am watching my words)
June 27th, 2007 1:33 PM
It is so very sad what the world we live in has come to. Morals are slim to none, and people treat each other like scum. Please, please, please let us stop and think what a beautiful world this could be if we only learn to treat each other with respect, and common decency. Regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, this world is large enough for all of us to get along. I know this is all wishful thinking, but a good thought.
June 27th, 2007 2:10 PM
Look at all the disinformation in this thread, mostly stated by TRK backers. IW did not get into a fight with PD,TR knight(despite his Ellen interview comments) was not there when the statement was made, IW didnt dog PD in anyway in his interveiw he even said PD was one of his best friends on the set. Why bring PD into it? Well if no one will beleive him why not mention someone else who was there who would have nothing to gain by telling the truth. As for comparing the slur IW made to the nword is just stupid. Being homosexual is a lifestyle choice. a person could even be born gay but they still have a choice of being openly gay or not. Also no one is being hosed down in the streets and havin dogs called on them for the gay rights movement. Dont get me wrong i respect anyone who fight for a just cause. But a simple fact is that from the moment anyone sees you they know your black theres no hiding it or the pain and deaths that word had led to just like no black person would compare the Nword with any Jewish slur. Some atrocities and the word used during them cant be compared to.
June 27th, 2007 2:17 PM
Carol, I am not so emotionally involved that I cannot be objective; I am merely trying to understand where each of the parties in this sorry game is coming from. Look at the facts, remove all the conjecture, rumours and lies and all I see is that IW has lost the most (for now at least) HE is the victim - his job, livelihood, reputation shredded because of a leaked in-house fight that somehow became a national story. Stupid regrettable words said in a heated moment, quickly forgotten by the two people involved (PD & IW) but used by an opportunistic man (who just happens to be gay) who was dissatisfied with his character and saw this as a chance to do something about it. Aided and abetted by his fellow opportunist KH. So yes I support him 100% in his bid to clear his name. IW can be outspoken, yes but that does not make him the villain in this tale. I fully agree with what Burke Backer said - bringing in PD to perhaps add weight to his comments - to show that from way back TRK might have been known to be resentful of others who he felt had better roles than himself.
His co-stars are distancing themselves? Maybe so but have you thought that they might not want to rock the gravy boat? Remember it's each man for himself and there's a million actors ready to take your place so noones taking any chances with ABC, besides this his co-stars have seen how public opinion swung away from IW and will not want to jeopardise their careers for him. Just the way of the world I giuess...or Hollywood.
Again I agree with Burke Backer - I don't think a lawsuit will be neccessary, ABC probably consulted the best lawyers to make their case watertight; it would be a waste of IW time and resources going after them.
June 27th, 2007 2:37 PM
Seriously?!?
I used to feel somewhat bad for IW, but now, he's digging his own grave, all this stuff about TR should be the one fired. STUPID....TR's not even making the huge deal about it..................it's him. Just forget about it, you made a mistake and now you have to pay. Don't throw everyone else under the bus.
Plus, when you think about it, us viewers are the ones who are really going to pay for it, all this relationship animosity. IW gives Grey's a bad name........which is sad...b/c this show had long-time potential.
June 27th, 2007 8:44 PM
TR didnt make a big deal about it? Are you daft? IW was quite about this for 8 months while TRK has told everyone with a mic or a pen how IW called him the Fbonb, which as it turned out was not true. Now IW feels is his time to tell the real story. i just dont understand why everyone is taking TR at his word (which has been proven not credible)just because Goerge on the show is a nice good guy doesnt mean that TRK is.
June 27th, 2007 9:45 PM
Isn't it strange that ABC did all this in the beginning of the summer break probably to make sure that fans would have almost 4 months to forget about it. It is like tax and products increases and governmental negative decisions these always happen during the summer months when people are gone enjoying a break and are miles away from their daily problems.
June 27th, 2007 9:46 PM
Why is Isiah trying to ruin a perfectly good show by dragging all this drama into it? Do you think anyone is going to want to hire him after him being a drama king? Just let it go... find new work. Yes it sucks.. but get over it! Grey's Anatomy better make a fine comeback after this!
June 28th, 2007 5:05 AM
Just let Donna know TWOP stands fof television without pity. I havn´t found PD´s comments yet.
June 28th, 2007 5:54 AM
PD said that he wished IW well and that everyone who was coming back to the set deserved to be back, something like that anyway, and no, TR did not tell everyone with a mic or a pen, he told people magazine and said it on the ellen show, that was it, and how d'you know its not true? just because IW said so? no one will ever know what happened onset that day,so theres no point in passing judgements, but what IW is saying about TR now, that hes forcing the writers and producers hands to up his storylines(which isnt true btw, cause shonda said herself that the george/izzie storyline was potential from the start of the show, i mean seriously, he doesnt have that sort of power, lol) and that they fired the wrong guy is well, wrong, and TR is doing the right thing by staying quiet, IW needs to be a professional in this and i hope he can move on