Why go back to grade school when I can read some of these post and feel like I there.
I don't know if he made it up on not, but if he came around the corner, did he hear everything. Did he add things he thought were said. And, why did he decide to talk now. It couldn't have been what happened at the GG, because IW was trying to soothe the situation, not calll him a name. It may not have come out the right way, but his intentions was to soothe the situation, even KH admitted to that. They even interviewed KH and asked her if he [TR] was hurt, she stated she didn't know, but yet she went on to speculate. I still feel that had she not made that statment, things would have been very different. Why stir up problems. She even when on to say that she thinks they can work it out because their family. I think she's just a bit fickle, and also think the reason he said the things that he did was because she was upset.
lindsey_c Says:
January 17th, 2007 9:07 PM
on a light note, i love that katherine and TR are as good of friends off screens as their characters on screen are! it's cool!
Burke Backer Says:
January 17th, 2007 9:40 PM
Hey, Shelby. You made the statement:
"I love Katherine Heigl she will do anything to make sure a fellow cast mate is not hurt"
Do you think Isaiah was hurt by her comments? Is he not her fellow-cast mate also?
I think Katherine Heigl believes TR Knight is not adult enough to handle his own problems. She should back off and let TR address the issue as he did today on Ellen. Her temper and off the cuff remarks were as hurtful as anything Isaiah said in his own defense. I am not a fan of KH. I think she is also a loose cannon. Did she lie on Ellen right after the incident in October when she said it was just a testosterone thing and that everything was fine? Is she a liar? I don't hear anyone calling for her firing because she insulted a cast member on national television by saying she would "take him hout" and lied about the incident on the Ellen show.
I love Burke. I enjoy Isaiah and TR's performances on GA. But the whole thing is devisive. It is causing all of us to take sides. They all need to address it openly and honestly and then move on or it cannot help but hurt the show in the long run. If any of the characters are lost because the actors are either too volatile or too thin skinned it would be disasterous for the show in my opinion. Katie butt out. TR grow up. Isaiah shut up.
Burke Backer Says:
January 17th, 2007 10:14 PM
Margo, You said:
"I truly believe that Washington did make that comment and it was out of line....T.R. does not appear to be the kind of person that would make something like that up!! "
So you are saying that Isaiah does appear to be the kind of person who would call a cast mate a faggot and then lie about it? Because I have to tell you he sounded very sincere in his interview with Access Hollywood after the Golden Globes when he said he would never, ever do that.
I think they are both telling the truth from their perspective. Isaiah wasn't addressing TR. He was not calling him a homophobic slur. If you are to believe TR, Isaiah may have used the word in anger during his argument with Patrick. That does not mean he called TR that word or set out to in anyway hurt TR. In Isaiah's mind, if not in yours, he sees a difference. He was not talking to TR at all, didn't know he was around, would never knowingly have hurt him in that way. Does that excuse using the word? No. Should he have used the word again on Monday night? No.
But I have to ask you, have you ever heard that word used by people that you would not call homophobic? Say, two straight men playfully calling each other a faggot? Or, have you heard the word used in anger by two straight men thinking that it is a epithet that will wound the other person by insulting their manhood. At the same time these same men would never insult a person by calling someone who actually is gay a faggot. While the word is uncalled for and rude, depending on the circumstance it is not horrific and unforgiveable.
I work with several gay men and asked for their reaction to Isaiah's statements after the GG win. Not one of them took offense at Isaiah saying he did not call TR a faggot. To them he was trying to set the record straight. It was a complete overreaction for TR to have to be restrained from leaving the stage as one reporter commented (of course we don't know if it was true). Or for Katie to say she would "take you out", I assume addressing Isaiah, (gosh, does this sound at all like trailer girl Izzie) if he hurt TR even though, by her own admission, she didn't know if TR was hurt by the comment.
Until Isaiah can see that even if he did not call TR that word to his face, if he used the word during his argument with Patrick it was offensive to TR. If they can not come to an agreement about what even happened, they will have a difficult time resolving it. TR needs to understand that even if Isaiah used that word in anger duirng the argument with Patrick, it was not intended as a personal affront to him. By that I mean, it did not represent what Isaiah thinks about TR or the regard with which he holds him. They need to work it out without all of the outside pressure by all of us who think we know what happened and don't choosing sides. Or by Katie Heigl, who told Ellen last time that she didn't see what happened and wasn't there. So she is responding negatively towards Isaiah for hurting TR without knowing whether or not he should have been hurt at all by what was said. Does that make sense? If we love this show, we need to stop taking sides and let them figure out how to mend the riff.
Burke Backer Says:
January 17th, 2007 10:19 PM
Homnoir, You said:
"the most ironic thing here to me is that Isaih Washington portrayed a gay character in Spike Lee's "Get On The Bus" ! (male lover included)
So it might be fair to say: It takes one to know one.
Huh ?"
Hillary Swank played a man and won an Oscar for it. Does that mean she is one? Dustin Hoffman played a woman. Does that mean he is one? Anthony Hopkins played a serial killer. Does that mean he is one? These are actors. Hopefully they can inhabit a character very different from themselves. (By the way, Isaiah is spelled like this.)
Burke Backer Says:
January 17th, 2007 10:52 PM
Purplemerder, Doesn't it depend on whose interpretation of what happened you believe?
"It makes it really bad that he did indeed say it and then publically denied it."
Isaiah did not deny using the word faggot. He denied calling TR Knight a faggot. I think they are both being truthful from their own perspective.
Burke Backer Says:
January 17th, 2007 11:23 PM
Steve, It is exaggerations and misrepresentations by people in the media that have made this argument back in October into something so major to begin with. It is because of inflammatory word choice that the media has made it into something unforgivable and we are buying into it.
"if you watch the clip on the HFPA web site you will see the looks of horror on the cast face."
I watched it and they were looking down with no expression at all. I certainly did not see any looks of horror. Do you believe they had looks of horror on their faces because the Eonline reporter said so? Are you that guillible? I watched them they did not. He can exaggerate, but it does not make it true. Did they look uncomfortable? Were they taken by surprise? They really looked kind of blank.
" Kudos to Katie for having the guys to say something. She rocks and was just looking out for her friend who was visibly upset."
I watched the tape and you could not even see TR on it when Isaiah made his comments, nor could you see Katie. They were on the far leftside and the cameras were focused on the microphone n the center. Why do you think TR looked visibly upset? Was it because Ausiello told you he did? In the picture frame they showed Shonda, Isaiah, Chandra, Eric, Patrick. The cameras were all pretty much focused on Isaiah and Shonda. Now if Ausiello was a reputable reporter rather than someone out to dig up dirt and crucify Isaiah, I might believe he had a better vantage point and so saw that he was visibly upset. But at this point I don't believe a word he says.
The media just ate this up with a spoon. Dissention. The stuff headlines and tabloid stories are made of. Oh, let's make a huge deal out of it. Isaiah used the word faggot again. He even said TR's name in the same sentence even though he was saying he never called TR that word to begin with. Surely that means he once again called TR a faggot. The fact that he didn't is beside the point. Let's just say he did and most of the people out there will believe us no matter what they saw with their own eyes. If we say it loud enough and often enough, they will believe us.
Isaiah. I'm surprised he is allowed out on the streets. He must be like Saddam Hussein. He must be a Charles Manson. He must be the worst person on the planet. He used the word faggot. Crucify him. Oh my goodness, TR has his feelings hurt again. Call super Katie to swoop in and make threats against Isaiah. Doesn't that make her a heroine? Doesn't that make poor, poor TR a hero? Can't we all see what this is doing to the show we profess to love?
Get a grip people. I don't believe Isaiah called TR a faggot, but even if he did, it is not the workings of a dangerous, violent person who should be incarcerated or at the very least fired because he is too hurtful to be around other people. Get a little perspective. I venture that not one person calling for Isaiah's head has not called someone a less than complementary name in their life when they did mean it to hurt and offend, let alone used a negative name in anger not directed at anyone or meant to hurt anyone. Should Isaiah be fired. No way. Should TR and Isaiah have a chance to resolve this situation without interference from all of the media in the free world, half of the GA fans, and Katie Heigl. Absolutely.
Bonnie M Says:
January 18th, 2007 5:20 AM
Thank you Burke Backer that's why your one of my favorites. Your the best you tell it like it is.
Say Uncle Says:
January 18th, 2007 5:44 AM
Burke Backer, we have the same thing in mind: Isaiah MIGHT indeed have used the "F" word, but it wasn't necessarily said to TR directly.
I think Isaiah would think that if he would publicly deny calling TR a faggot, TR would most likely speak up and call Isaiah a big, fat liar (It's not like he'd pay TR a million bucks to say nothing about the incident). Would Isaiah want that? I guess not. No one in his right mind would want to embarass himself, right?
I also think that Katherine Heigl's remark just added more gravity to the whole thing (peace, everyone, this is just an OPINION). TR and Isaiah could have done without her saying that.
All these would cause nothing but problems for the show. Just when they've just won Best Drama Series (which emphasizes how succesful the show has been), this horrible thing happens. I love the show so much, and this really bothers me especially now that Isaiah being fired from the show is talked about.
I may be somehow sound biased because I'm a fan of Isaiah (and Sandra, of course) more than anyone of the cast. But I'm saying all these as rational and as reasonable as I can be.
Burke Backer - then he should have said I didn't call TR a F... but i did make the comment and it was wrong....
but its over...so I am done with it.....i want to move on...... :)
much love for you burke backer.......i just want to focus on the show......
Burke Backer Says:
January 18th, 2007 6:08 PM
I agree with so many on this list who have said, once again, lets move on and concentrate on the show. I am so appalled by all of it really. It ruins the fantasy of Seattle Grace to have TR making claims on Ellen and Isaiah making denials on the Golden Globes, and Katherine siding with TR and threatening to "take out" Isaiah. It is just so divisive. Thank God Sandra Oh and Patrick Dempsey and Justin Chambers and the others know when to keep quiet.
Purplemerder, you are such a nice person and I know you never want anyone to have hurt feelings. I just want you to know how much I appreciate that as a fellow frequent poster on this website. And thanks Bonnie and Say Uncle. I am really trying to understand this because I believe in my heart that these are all good people who keep hurting each other unintentionally.
Everyone will make up their mind about this depending on who they personally like. I can't tell you how much I wish Isaiah had just not responded to the reporter who was baiting him. I can't tell you how much I wish that this would all go away, because I do love the character on the show and I want that character to stay with this actor bringing him to life. It is just sad that it has come up yet again and by Isaiah's own doing. Not a wise decision on his part. Was he drinking at the GG? Probably. They all seemed to be. Did this contribute to a lack of judgment, possibly. Does it make it okay, no. He hurt the show and he hurt himself.
I am 1000% sure that Isaiah did not use this word to attack TR or his life style. If he used the word and maybe he didn't and TR thought that is what he heard, I don't know, but if he did use the word he needed to apologize for it. He has said that he apologized to both TR and Patrick, so I think he already did. I don't think when he defended himself against the media questions after the Golden Globe that he had any idea that in saying, "I did not call TR a faggot", people would once again be down on him for uttering the word that he was accused of using to begin with. I have no doubt that he was trying to dispell the rumors and declare his innocence.
Katie Heigl may believe that it did not need to be said, but the media was not attacking her for months. If Isaiah felt he needed to set the record straight, he should have found a more appropriate time and place to do it. I am disappointed in him for that behavior. But, I also have no doubt that he holds TR in high regard and believe they can work it out if we give them a chance to do it. Their scenes together are some of my favorite.
Kelly Says:
January 18th, 2007 8:59 PM
Katherine Heigl needs to mind her own business. She is making TR look like a punk and that has nothing to do with him being gay. He is a man, he needed to handle it that same day. Then if IW wanted to say it to his face he could have. I don't beleive he said it to him or about him. If he would have been on time to work he would have known. This was about him running late (like he is all of the time). He was wrong for going on Ellen months later. It should have been dropped. Katherine needs to mind her own business, she is not the best actor.
thanks burke backer - i appreciate that you can voice your opinions and not totally drag someone through the mud...i wish some other posters could do that....
great show tonight...you know what when i was watching the scenes with burke and george i was wishing and hoping that they could be that way in real life...
Margo Says:
January 19th, 2007 11:56 PM
Burke Backer
Yes, I truly believe that IW would appear to be the kind of person that would say that, and deny it. When they received the Golden Globe award, what was that!!!! He made it all about him...I admire him as an actor, but I can't do the same as a person. He is self indulgent!!! I have two wonderful twin step daughters and one of them is gay and she holds a very high profile job in the police force in the U.S. and she is the first to say that men that are gay have it the worst..and fagot is not even humane in referring to another individual.
Margo Says:
January 20th, 2007 12:26 AM
Burke Backer
Another thing, you obviously are not very deep...if you could not read T.R. Knight's interview on Ellen's show's....then you really have no right to comment on him at all. Yes, I believe that IW called him a faggot...and no I don't believe that T.R. Knight imagined it, and yes I believe it caused him pain, but that should of been the end of it. But Instead IW was way out of line for bring it up again at the Golden Glodes. NO CLASS AT ALL
Burke Backer Says:
January 20th, 2007 6:17 PM
Hi Margo. I have read the transcript of TRs interview on Ellen, I have just not listened to the recording of it. There is a big difference between overhearing a comment said during an argument when emotions are high and someone is angry, than having the comment made directly to you with intent to hurt and humiliiate you. I think Isaiah was saying he did not call TR a faggot and I believe him. I don't believe I said TR imagined it. I asked if since it wasn't said to TR if he might have misheard. Have you seen the tape of the Golden Globes? It was not Isaiah that brought it up. They were asked immediately by Ted of Eonline about "Isaiah's homophobic slur". Isaiah was responding to a question asked about him personally. I agree. It was completely "No class at all", but it was not Isaiah's doing to begin with it was Ted's. I am sorry Isaiah responded, but understand why he felt he needed to.
Margo Says:
January 20th, 2007 9:50 PM
Burke
Transcript ??????? Did you not see the Ellen show?? If you did, you would of been able to form a better opinion!!! From all the things that you say on this website and the length of them.....you have too much time on your hands sweetheart, maybe you should get a life.
Margo Says:
January 20th, 2007 11:16 PM
Burke,
I love Grey's since it started....and will continue to love it...regardless..because there is a field that we can explore, and make it believable.
Burke Backere Says:
January 21st, 2007 2:10 PM
Hi Margo, I am not the enemy here. There is really no need to attack me personally. Just as you do not know me, you do not know Isaiah. Please try not to be so judgmental. If you go to eonline, you will find word for word the questions asked and TRs responses from the Ellen interview. That is what I was referring to by "transcripts". That just means written account of the conversation. I love Grey's too and have also enjoyed it from the start and really liked last week's episode as well. Isaiah and TR are both such good actors that their scenes together were very believable as two men who like and respect each other. I hope they can get back to that off screen, too. I hope that we can, too. Isn't it funny that "sweetheart" can be a slur, too. It all depends on the intent.
tRU2LIght Says:
January 22nd, 2007 9:06 PM
To bad everyone in America hates the truth. These people act together. Key word act. They don't have to like each other. If T.R. was so upset about being called a faggot, then maybe he should stop being one. I'm not saying what took place at the Golden Globes was at the right place or time. But Isiah Washington has the right to his feelings. It caused no physical harm, and in my opinion brought more attention to a show that has a considerable amount already. Going on a certain someones television show to cry about being called a faggot is pretty pathetic. Thats like going to a beauty pageant and becoming upset because someone told you that you are pretty.
Craig Says:
January 23rd, 2007 8:54 AM
Nice use of "in the fray" for this article.
Faggot Says:
January 25th, 2007 10:06 AM
I think that you all are faggots, that should get off this shit. Get a life. He said faggot b/c that dude likes to suck dicks, and IW likes pussy. So what? It is what it is. Gay people like you all make this word much more than it is. When kids on the street are playing they call each other gay or faggots as a joke and don't take it personally, you all should learn something from these kids. Oh, and by the way, why is it that every carpet muncher and dick waxing person out there have a problem with the word faggot or any other homo-word but have no problem saying a racial slur. I bet that most of you gay MF's have no problem calling a black a nigger or a latino a spic but as soon as someone says faggot, you get your panties in a bunch (literally). So, with that being said, I think that you hypocrites need to check yourselfs. If you like the same sex you are a faggot, I call it like I see it. Have a nice day :))
Sandi Bennett Says:
January 30th, 2007 10:59 AM
Let Washington go not T R. T R makes the show. Certainlly more than that door knob Washington. He should be greatful being a old washed up actor given a second chance. Same with Patrick Dempsey only he isn't a ---hole. He's very thankful. No rehab will teach you to be decent to other human beings. Either your parents taught you or they didn't. So he won't ever change just be a foney to keep his job even though no white people like him.
Pat Says:
January 30th, 2007 3:19 PM
If T.R. Knight quits because IW has a nasty temper he is a real fool. Everybody loves George and he may never get another opportunity to play a part like this one again. Too many other tv stars have left the show that made them famous only to sink into obsurity. Why should he run off with his tail between his legs because his feelings were hurt? He ought to be tougher than that and realize what a once in a lifetime opportunity this is and not let the bully scare him off.
Teresa Says:
February 10th, 2007 8:50 PM
you wouldn't believe how much i laughed with those comments.
in the first place cause it's such a stupid topic to talk about so restlessly. "he looked honest... he looks like the kind of person that does that"... (i admit i didn't see any interviews or ellen show's or whatsoever about the big "faggot" fight, but reading this post was enough). they're actors damn it, they act. wondering about the personality of someone you don't know at all is stupid, and plus saying "he looks like..." that's even more stupid. actors look like whatever they want. that's what make them good actors...
so who cares about this story? someone was saying "the medias ate this with a spoon" or something like that. they cooked it, you're eating it with the damn spoon. everyone says faggot (ok, saying it to/about/whatever your work colleague is pretty rude), something like that (not necesarily about the "faggot" topic) happenned to you once in your life for sure, but in this case you talk about it like it's your lives. it's their's. let them live them. who cares? ok he said faggot. a faggot is a faggot? what do you want to call it?
he said faggot
who answered what to whom,who got hurt, who is angry?
i don't give a damn and don't see why anybody does.
hooray for that guy calling faggot to someone else and people don't giving a s***. faggot? let him be so. cool. where were we?
anyway this comment wasn't really to talk about the "faggot" thing but only to say the comments by Burke Backer were really funny. you're all right.
and the one by Faggot was hillarious too.
P.S: sorry for any spelling or gramatical mistakes. i'm not from a english-spoken country.
January 17th, 2007 6:54 PM
Why go back to grade school when I can read some of these post and feel like I there.
I don't know if he made it up on not, but if he came around the corner, did he hear everything. Did he add things he thought were said. And, why did he decide to talk now. It couldn't have been what happened at the GG, because IW was trying to soothe the situation, not calll him a name. It may not have come out the right way, but his intentions was to soothe the situation, even KH admitted to that. They even interviewed KH and asked her if he [TR] was hurt, she stated she didn't know, but yet she went on to speculate. I still feel that had she not made that statment, things would have been very different. Why stir up problems. She even when on to say that she thinks they can work it out because their family. I think she's just a bit fickle, and also think the reason he said the things that he did was because she was upset.
January 17th, 2007 9:07 PM
on a light note, i love that katherine and TR are as good of friends off screens as their characters on screen are! it's cool!
January 17th, 2007 9:40 PM
Hey, Shelby. You made the statement:
"I love Katherine Heigl she will do anything to make sure a fellow cast mate is not hurt"
Do you think Isaiah was hurt by her comments? Is he not her fellow-cast mate also?
I think Katherine Heigl believes TR Knight is not adult enough to handle his own problems. She should back off and let TR address the issue as he did today on Ellen. Her temper and off the cuff remarks were as hurtful as anything Isaiah said in his own defense. I am not a fan of KH. I think she is also a loose cannon. Did she lie on Ellen right after the incident in October when she said it was just a testosterone thing and that everything was fine? Is she a liar? I don't hear anyone calling for her firing because she insulted a cast member on national television by saying she would "take him hout" and lied about the incident on the Ellen show.
I love Burke. I enjoy Isaiah and TR's performances on GA. But the whole thing is devisive. It is causing all of us to take sides. They all need to address it openly and honestly and then move on or it cannot help but hurt the show in the long run. If any of the characters are lost because the actors are either too volatile or too thin skinned it would be disasterous for the show in my opinion. Katie butt out. TR grow up. Isaiah shut up.
January 17th, 2007 10:14 PM
Margo, You said:
"I truly believe that Washington did make that comment and it was out of line....T.R. does not appear to be the kind of person that would make something like that up!! "
So you are saying that Isaiah does appear to be the kind of person who would call a cast mate a faggot and then lie about it? Because I have to tell you he sounded very sincere in his interview with Access Hollywood after the Golden Globes when he said he would never, ever do that.
I think they are both telling the truth from their perspective. Isaiah wasn't addressing TR. He was not calling him a homophobic slur. If you are to believe TR, Isaiah may have used the word in anger during his argument with Patrick. That does not mean he called TR that word or set out to in anyway hurt TR. In Isaiah's mind, if not in yours, he sees a difference. He was not talking to TR at all, didn't know he was around, would never knowingly have hurt him in that way. Does that excuse using the word? No. Should he have used the word again on Monday night? No.
But I have to ask you, have you ever heard that word used by people that you would not call homophobic? Say, two straight men playfully calling each other a faggot? Or, have you heard the word used in anger by two straight men thinking that it is a epithet that will wound the other person by insulting their manhood. At the same time these same men would never insult a person by calling someone who actually is gay a faggot. While the word is uncalled for and rude, depending on the circumstance it is not horrific and unforgiveable.
I work with several gay men and asked for their reaction to Isaiah's statements after the GG win. Not one of them took offense at Isaiah saying he did not call TR a faggot. To them he was trying to set the record straight. It was a complete overreaction for TR to have to be restrained from leaving the stage as one reporter commented (of course we don't know if it was true). Or for Katie to say she would "take you out", I assume addressing Isaiah, (gosh, does this sound at all like trailer girl Izzie) if he hurt TR even though, by her own admission, she didn't know if TR was hurt by the comment.
Until Isaiah can see that even if he did not call TR that word to his face, if he used the word during his argument with Patrick it was offensive to TR. If they can not come to an agreement about what even happened, they will have a difficult time resolving it. TR needs to understand that even if Isaiah used that word in anger duirng the argument with Patrick, it was not intended as a personal affront to him. By that I mean, it did not represent what Isaiah thinks about TR or the regard with which he holds him. They need to work it out without all of the outside pressure by all of us who think we know what happened and don't choosing sides. Or by Katie Heigl, who told Ellen last time that she didn't see what happened and wasn't there. So she is responding negatively towards Isaiah for hurting TR without knowing whether or not he should have been hurt at all by what was said. Does that make sense? If we love this show, we need to stop taking sides and let them figure out how to mend the riff.
January 17th, 2007 10:19 PM
Homnoir, You said:
"the most ironic thing here to me is that Isaih Washington portrayed a gay character in Spike Lee's "Get On The Bus" ! (male lover included)
So it might be fair to say: It takes one to know one.
Huh ?"
Hillary Swank played a man and won an Oscar for it. Does that mean she is one? Dustin Hoffman played a woman. Does that mean he is one? Anthony Hopkins played a serial killer. Does that mean he is one? These are actors. Hopefully they can inhabit a character very different from themselves. (By the way, Isaiah is spelled like this.)
January 17th, 2007 10:52 PM
Purplemerder, Doesn't it depend on whose interpretation of what happened you believe?
"It makes it really bad that he did indeed say it and then publically denied it."
Isaiah did not deny using the word faggot. He denied calling TR Knight a faggot. I think they are both being truthful from their own perspective.
January 17th, 2007 11:23 PM
Steve, It is exaggerations and misrepresentations by people in the media that have made this argument back in October into something so major to begin with. It is because of inflammatory word choice that the media has made it into something unforgivable and we are buying into it.
"if you watch the clip on the HFPA web site you will see the looks of horror on the cast face."
I watched it and they were looking down with no expression at all. I certainly did not see any looks of horror. Do you believe they had looks of horror on their faces because the Eonline reporter said so? Are you that guillible? I watched them they did not. He can exaggerate, but it does not make it true. Did they look uncomfortable? Were they taken by surprise? They really looked kind of blank.
" Kudos to Katie for having the guys to say something. She rocks and was just looking out for her friend who was visibly upset."
I watched the tape and you could not even see TR on it when Isaiah made his comments, nor could you see Katie. They were on the far leftside and the cameras were focused on the microphone n the center. Why do you think TR looked visibly upset? Was it because Ausiello told you he did? In the picture frame they showed Shonda, Isaiah, Chandra, Eric, Patrick. The cameras were all pretty much focused on Isaiah and Shonda. Now if Ausiello was a reputable reporter rather than someone out to dig up dirt and crucify Isaiah, I might believe he had a better vantage point and so saw that he was visibly upset. But at this point I don't believe a word he says.
The media just ate this up with a spoon. Dissention. The stuff headlines and tabloid stories are made of. Oh, let's make a huge deal out of it. Isaiah used the word faggot again. He even said TR's name in the same sentence even though he was saying he never called TR that word to begin with. Surely that means he once again called TR a faggot. The fact that he didn't is beside the point. Let's just say he did and most of the people out there will believe us no matter what they saw with their own eyes. If we say it loud enough and often enough, they will believe us.
Isaiah. I'm surprised he is allowed out on the streets. He must be like Saddam Hussein. He must be a Charles Manson. He must be the worst person on the planet. He used the word faggot. Crucify him. Oh my goodness, TR has his feelings hurt again. Call super Katie to swoop in and make threats against Isaiah. Doesn't that make her a heroine? Doesn't that make poor, poor TR a hero? Can't we all see what this is doing to the show we profess to love?
Get a grip people. I don't believe Isaiah called TR a faggot, but even if he did, it is not the workings of a dangerous, violent person who should be incarcerated or at the very least fired because he is too hurtful to be around other people. Get a little perspective. I venture that not one person calling for Isaiah's head has not called someone a less than complementary name in their life when they did mean it to hurt and offend, let alone used a negative name in anger not directed at anyone or meant to hurt anyone. Should Isaiah be fired. No way. Should TR and Isaiah have a chance to resolve this situation without interference from all of the media in the free world, half of the GA fans, and Katie Heigl. Absolutely.
January 18th, 2007 5:20 AM
Thank you Burke Backer that's why your one of my favorites. Your the best you tell it like it is.
January 18th, 2007 5:44 AM
Burke Backer, we have the same thing in mind: Isaiah MIGHT indeed have used the "F" word, but it wasn't necessarily said to TR directly.
I think Isaiah would think that if he would publicly deny calling TR a faggot, TR would most likely speak up and call Isaiah a big, fat liar (It's not like he'd pay TR a million bucks to say nothing about the incident). Would Isaiah want that? I guess not. No one in his right mind would want to embarass himself, right?
I also think that Katherine Heigl's remark just added more gravity to the whole thing (peace, everyone, this is just an OPINION). TR and Isaiah could have done without her saying that.
All these would cause nothing but problems for the show. Just when they've just won Best Drama Series (which emphasizes how succesful the show has been), this horrible thing happens. I love the show so much, and this really bothers me especially now that Isaiah being fired from the show is talked about.
I may be somehow sound biased because I'm a fan of Isaiah (and Sandra, of course) more than anyone of the cast. But I'm saying all these as rational and as reasonable as I can be.
January 18th, 2007 2:50 PM
Burke Backer - then he should have said I didn't call TR a F... but i did make the comment and it was wrong....
but its over...so I am done with it.....i want to move on...... :)
much love for you burke backer.......i just want to focus on the show......
January 18th, 2007 6:08 PM
I agree with so many on this list who have said, once again, lets move on and concentrate on the show. I am so appalled by all of it really. It ruins the fantasy of Seattle Grace to have TR making claims on Ellen and Isaiah making denials on the Golden Globes, and Katherine siding with TR and threatening to "take out" Isaiah. It is just so divisive. Thank God Sandra Oh and Patrick Dempsey and Justin Chambers and the others know when to keep quiet.
Purplemerder, you are such a nice person and I know you never want anyone to have hurt feelings. I just want you to know how much I appreciate that as a fellow frequent poster on this website. And thanks Bonnie and Say Uncle. I am really trying to understand this because I believe in my heart that these are all good people who keep hurting each other unintentionally.
Everyone will make up their mind about this depending on who they personally like. I can't tell you how much I wish Isaiah had just not responded to the reporter who was baiting him. I can't tell you how much I wish that this would all go away, because I do love the character on the show and I want that character to stay with this actor bringing him to life. It is just sad that it has come up yet again and by Isaiah's own doing. Not a wise decision on his part. Was he drinking at the GG? Probably. They all seemed to be. Did this contribute to a lack of judgment, possibly. Does it make it okay, no. He hurt the show and he hurt himself.
I am 1000% sure that Isaiah did not use this word to attack TR or his life style. If he used the word and maybe he didn't and TR thought that is what he heard, I don't know, but if he did use the word he needed to apologize for it. He has said that he apologized to both TR and Patrick, so I think he already did. I don't think when he defended himself against the media questions after the Golden Globe that he had any idea that in saying, "I did not call TR a faggot", people would once again be down on him for uttering the word that he was accused of using to begin with. I have no doubt that he was trying to dispell the rumors and declare his innocence.
Katie Heigl may believe that it did not need to be said, but the media was not attacking her for months. If Isaiah felt he needed to set the record straight, he should have found a more appropriate time and place to do it. I am disappointed in him for that behavior. But, I also have no doubt that he holds TR in high regard and believe they can work it out if we give them a chance to do it. Their scenes together are some of my favorite.
January 18th, 2007 8:59 PM
Katherine Heigl needs to mind her own business. She is making TR look like a punk and that has nothing to do with him being gay. He is a man, he needed to handle it that same day. Then if IW wanted to say it to his face he could have. I don't beleive he said it to him or about him. If he would have been on time to work he would have known. This was about him running late (like he is all of the time). He was wrong for going on Ellen months later. It should have been dropped. Katherine needs to mind her own business, she is not the best actor.
January 18th, 2007 10:28 PM
thanks burke backer - i appreciate that you can voice your opinions and not totally drag someone through the mud...i wish some other posters could do that....
great show tonight...you know what when i was watching the scenes with burke and george i was wishing and hoping that they could be that way in real life...
January 19th, 2007 11:56 PM
Burke Backer
Yes, I truly believe that IW would appear to be the kind of person that would say that, and deny it. When they received the Golden Globe award, what was that!!!! He made it all about him...I admire him as an actor, but I can't do the same as a person. He is self indulgent!!! I have two wonderful twin step daughters and one of them is gay and she holds a very high profile job in the police force in the U.S. and she is the first to say that men that are gay have it the worst..and fagot is not even humane in referring to another individual.
January 20th, 2007 12:26 AM
Burke Backer
Another thing, you obviously are not very deep...if you could not read T.R. Knight's interview on Ellen's show's....then you really have no right to comment on him at all. Yes, I believe that IW called him a faggot...and no I don't believe that T.R. Knight imagined it, and yes I believe it caused him pain, but that should of been the end of it. But Instead IW was way out of line for bring it up again at the Golden Glodes. NO CLASS AT ALL
January 20th, 2007 6:17 PM
Hi Margo. I have read the transcript of TRs interview on Ellen, I have just not listened to the recording of it. There is a big difference between overhearing a comment said during an argument when emotions are high and someone is angry, than having the comment made directly to you with intent to hurt and humiliiate you. I think Isaiah was saying he did not call TR a faggot and I believe him. I don't believe I said TR imagined it. I asked if since it wasn't said to TR if he might have misheard. Have you seen the tape of the Golden Globes? It was not Isaiah that brought it up. They were asked immediately by Ted of Eonline about "Isaiah's homophobic slur". Isaiah was responding to a question asked about him personally. I agree. It was completely "No class at all", but it was not Isaiah's doing to begin with it was Ted's. I am sorry Isaiah responded, but understand why he felt he needed to.
January 20th, 2007 9:50 PM
Burke
Transcript ??????? Did you not see the Ellen show?? If you did, you would of been able to form a better opinion!!! From all the things that you say on this website and the length of them.....you have too much time on your hands sweetheart, maybe you should get a life.
January 20th, 2007 11:16 PM
Burke,
I love Grey's since it started....and will continue to love it...regardless..because there is a field that we can explore, and make it believable.
January 21st, 2007 2:10 PM
Hi Margo, I am not the enemy here. There is really no need to attack me personally. Just as you do not know me, you do not know Isaiah. Please try not to be so judgmental. If you go to eonline, you will find word for word the questions asked and TRs responses from the Ellen interview. That is what I was referring to by "transcripts". That just means written account of the conversation. I love Grey's too and have also enjoyed it from the start and really liked last week's episode as well. Isaiah and TR are both such good actors that their scenes together were very believable as two men who like and respect each other. I hope they can get back to that off screen, too. I hope that we can, too. Isn't it funny that "sweetheart" can be a slur, too. It all depends on the intent.
January 22nd, 2007 9:06 PM
To bad everyone in America hates the truth. These people act together. Key word act. They don't have to like each other. If T.R. was so upset about being called a faggot, then maybe he should stop being one. I'm not saying what took place at the Golden Globes was at the right place or time. But Isiah Washington has the right to his feelings. It caused no physical harm, and in my opinion brought more attention to a show that has a considerable amount already. Going on a certain someones television show to cry about being called a faggot is pretty pathetic. Thats like going to a beauty pageant and becoming upset because someone told you that you are pretty.
January 23rd, 2007 8:54 AM
Nice use of "in the fray" for this article.
January 25th, 2007 10:06 AM
I think that you all are faggots, that should get off this shit. Get a life. He said faggot b/c that dude likes to suck dicks, and IW likes pussy. So what? It is what it is. Gay people like you all make this word much more than it is. When kids on the street are playing they call each other gay or faggots as a joke and don't take it personally, you all should learn something from these kids. Oh, and by the way, why is it that every carpet muncher and dick waxing person out there have a problem with the word faggot or any other homo-word but have no problem saying a racial slur. I bet that most of you gay MF's have no problem calling a black a nigger or a latino a spic but as soon as someone says faggot, you get your panties in a bunch (literally). So, with that being said, I think that you hypocrites need to check yourselfs. If you like the same sex you are a faggot, I call it like I see it. Have a nice day :))
January 30th, 2007 10:59 AM
Let Washington go not T R. T R makes the show. Certainlly more than that door knob Washington. He should be greatful being a old washed up actor given a second chance. Same with Patrick Dempsey only he isn't a ---hole. He's very thankful. No rehab will teach you to be decent to other human beings. Either your parents taught you or they didn't. So he won't ever change just be a foney to keep his job even though no white people like him.
January 30th, 2007 3:19 PM
If T.R. Knight quits because IW has a nasty temper he is a real fool. Everybody loves George and he may never get another opportunity to play a part like this one again. Too many other tv stars have left the show that made them famous only to sink into obsurity. Why should he run off with his tail between his legs because his feelings were hurt? He ought to be tougher than that and realize what a once in a lifetime opportunity this is and not let the bully scare him off.
February 10th, 2007 8:50 PM
you wouldn't believe how much i laughed with those comments.
in the first place cause it's such a stupid topic to talk about so restlessly. "he looked honest... he looks like the kind of person that does that"... (i admit i didn't see any interviews or ellen show's or whatsoever about the big "faggot" fight, but reading this post was enough). they're actors damn it, they act. wondering about the personality of someone you don't know at all is stupid, and plus saying "he looks like..." that's even more stupid. actors look like whatever they want. that's what make them good actors...
so who cares about this story? someone was saying "the medias ate this with a spoon" or something like that. they cooked it, you're eating it with the damn spoon. everyone says faggot (ok, saying it to/about/whatever your work colleague is pretty rude), something like that (not necesarily about the "faggot" topic) happenned to you once in your life for sure, but in this case you talk about it like it's your lives. it's their's. let them live them. who cares? ok he said faggot. a faggot is a faggot? what do you want to call it?
he said faggot
who answered what to whom,who got hurt, who is angry?
i don't give a damn and don't see why anybody does.
hooray for that guy calling faggot to someone else and people don't giving a s***. faggot? let him be so. cool. where were we?
anyway this comment wasn't really to talk about the "faggot" thing but only to say the comments by Burke Backer were really funny. you're all right.
and the one by Faggot was hillarious too.
P.S: sorry for any spelling or gramatical mistakes. i'm not from a english-spoken country.