Grey's Anatomy On TV: Schedule
"Lay Your Hands On Me"
Thursday, August 14, 9 p.m. (repeat, episode 4.11)
"Untitled"
Thursday, September 25, 9 p.m. (NEW, 5.1)
Season 5 of Grey's Anatomy finally begins!
"Lay Your Hands On Me"
Thursday, August 14, 9 p.m. (repeat, episode 4.11)
"Untitled"
Thursday, September 25, 9 p.m. (NEW, 5.1)
Season 5 of Grey's Anatomy finally begins!
January 19th, 2007 11:25 PM
I will definitely not continue watching the show if Isaiah Washington is still part of the cast. His comments to Access Hollywood's Nancy O'Dell and Billy Bush and his persistent insistence that he did not use the word completely evaporated any credibility he may have had. Had he confessed from the beginning and not have worsened an already bleak situation by adding "liar" to the list, he might have come off fairly well, because we can be a forgiving public. He clearly does not understand the consequences of his actions and this apology wreaks of damage control. Well it's too late in my book, and I feel strongly enough about this to discontinue watching a show I love dearly if this individual is still being paid to play a part that can be giving to a more deserving person.
January 19th, 2007 11:32 PM
That'd be reeks* and given* (typos galore!). :)
January 19th, 2007 11:33 PM
Well, for everyone that says they won't watch if he stays on, their is someone who won't watch if he leaves. So the bottom line is that GA will be gone sooner than later. So if want to see that happen, than you're not a GA fan anyways.
January 19th, 2007 11:37 PM
Sometimes it goes beyond how much you love a program, so please don't make assumptions on what it means to be a fan.
January 19th, 2007 11:39 PM
BB, I agree with you about KH. Her comment to a reporter was "I don't think Washington means it the way it comes out", but yet she blows it all out of proportion. I don't get her at all. She even when on to say "she didn't know if he [Knight] was hurt". I think someone needs to sit down with her too and find out whats going on, because there is something straight about her behavior.
January 20th, 2007 1:27 AM
GETTING FIRED FROM SEATTLE GRACE...
Well, here it is, a whole 4 months after the first incident between our beloved male characters, and it rears its ugly head again. The "F" word from Isaiah has become the focal point that should not have been.
I've been hoping he would grow up in the months passed, but apparently, he didn't get that memo.
I LIKE HIM, I LIKE HIS CHARACTER, BUT I DESPISE HIS ATTITUDE OFF-SCREEN.
Here's where my duck gets plucked:
If you said it, fine, admit it; apologize sincerely, and then move the hell on.
If you didn't say it, don't say it! If you apologize for saying it, don't bring it up again months later and say you never said it. Otherwise, what was the frickin' apology for in the first place?
It's understandable that people have personal opinions of others. The point is, some things are not to be said out loud, and especially if national cameras are rolling to pick it up. You'd think Mel and Mr. Richards would've made that very obvious. And, by the way, ANGER is NOT AN EXCUSE FOR CRUEL LANGUAGE AND HURTFUL NAME CALLING SUCH AS THIS.
I think our friend Isaiah realizes the position in which he's placed himself and he now needs to try to save his own a*#. He needs to save his job.
Popular opinion (which is now more gay and lesbian-based) seems to feel that he should be fired. I for one agree, only because if you have a great show like "Grey's" you cannot afford to have one bad apple ruin it for everyone.
Like it or not, what a person says off-screen effects the number of people who watch what happens on-screen. If you piss off your audience, they turn you off. If they turn you off, the ratings go down. If the ratings go down, you get cancelled.
T.R. Knight has been nothing but a gentleman, and if it were anyone's choice, it should be him who says whether or not he'd be willing to continue to work with Mr Washington.
January 20th, 2007 3:13 AM
Apparently, I'm not makiing "assumptions" if there are people who don't feel he deserved to be let go. And popular opinion, well CNN conducted a poll on whether he should be let go and the results: 45% yes, 52% no.
January 20th, 2007 8:03 AM
mj, sweety, 45 and 52 don't add up to 100. It's more like 49-51. Anyway, it looks to me as though IW is on the down-low.
Oh and my 2 cents. Should IW be fired? No. Who turned out to be much more of a man? TRK!
I think we should all just shut up now.
January 20th, 2007 8:59 AM
I will no longer watch Grey's Anatomy until Washington is fired.
As long as he's on the program, I know there's a subtext of homophobia among the cast and it's a distraction and offensive.
Imagine if one of the cast members had referred to Washington as a "n****r?" All hell would've broken loose -- as well it should.
This is just not something I want to know is happening behind the scenes of an otherwise fine program.
Too bad Issah Washington had to ruin it.
January 20th, 2007 10:59 AM
HAHA...i loveee how katherine stood up for TR, i hate isaiah, he can never shut up about anything!he always try to say sorry because he can never keep anything in him....
January 20th, 2007 4:46 PM
Oh come on people. He said one word one time not directed at TR and not intended to cause him hurt or embarrassement. He was then put in the position by Ted from Eonline of having to defend himself. By denying out loud the word that some of the less reputable media people were accusing him of calling TR it opened all of this up again. No one should lose their job over one slip of the tongue and another media set up.
I would really like to see Isaiah and TR come to an agreement about what actually occurred on the set and deal with the misunderstanding. They need to make a joint statement of whether or not this fracus is over. If they are able to do that and the rest of the cast is satisfied that it was not Isaiah's intention ever to harm TR, the rabble rousers should back off and let us enjoy the entire cast of Grey's.
Grey, it doesn't take a man to go on television and call your castmate a liar. It takes a child who needs to have the last word. TR would have been more of a man to just let the entire thing pass because by making a huge deal out of one word said in anger to someone else who was not gay at all, he has made this far worse that it had to be. Using an ugly word once in an argument does not make you a homophobe. A lifetime of tolerance and good relationships with the gay community should speak louder than a one time slip.
It is interesting to me that Isaiah has had only very positive things to say about TR as an actor, castmate, and as a person both before and after the incident in October and after TR called him a liar on the Ellen show. He still never really addressed why he felt he had to go public with his gayness because of the fight between Patrick and Isaiah. Do you think there is any possibility that he is enjoying the spotlight at the expense of his castmate?
Isaiah has never, ever suggested that he hates anyone, yet katherinefan you feel perfectly within your right to announce to the world that you hate Isaiah, a man you don't know and will never meet. What is the more destructive? Your kind of hate or Isaiah's one time use of an ugly word? You directed your hatred towards Isaiah. Isaiah did not direct his word towards TR. It just doesn't add up. If you are a Grey's fan it is really sad because I have always been proud to be in the company of Grey's fans and I am not proud to be in the company of people who hate so easily. Hatred is a destructive word. All of the hate being bandied about is far worse, in my opinion, than anything Isaiah may have said or done unintentionally to TR Knight. Faggot is only a word and only as powerful as we want to make it. TR has chosen to make it a powerful indictment of himself. I don't condone the use of the word faggot. However, the reaction to it has been ridiculously overblown. I also do not condone the use of the word hate towards someone who has not harmed you. You don't even know what actually happened, no one does except those whose job it is now to fix the mess. It would be great, Grey, if we could simply not talk about this anymore, but unfortunately for everyone who says something sensible and reasonable with regard to last Monday's embarrassing question and answer, someone else throws out hateful statements that just should not go unanswered.
January 20th, 2007 5:08 PM
No one should use language that belittles another human being, but it happens all of the time. The difference between Mel Gibson and "Kramer" Richards and Isaiah, kitty6464, is that both Gibson and Richards directed their slurs at people with intent to cause pain and embarrrassment. Isaiah should not have used this word, but TR was not on the set to his knowledge. He did not direct it towards TR. His intention was not to hurt or humiliate his castmate. TR claims to have overheard it. There is a world of difference when you put intention into the equation.
The fact that he used this word could be symptomatic of some underlying feelings that being gay isn't okay. If that is the case he needs to address it in his own heart. I don't think that is the case because it would be very hard to have the long career that he has had in a place very pro gay rights and harbor negative feelings without them coming out before. I don't know though. But it is also not necessariiy symtomatic of being homophobic. People are making huge assumptions here about what this man is thinking and feeling. All we know for sure is that he didn't think before using this word in either occasion even if it was not intended to harm anyone.
I certainly hope that ABC Touchstone is more rationale in their handling of the fallout of this than many of the people who post on the web. It is impossible to tell who are actual Grey's Anatomy fans and who are simply Gay and Lesbian Rights supporters. They are having a hay day with this regardless and if they have their way and an excellent actor and a key character is lost to the show, we will be the losers. If that happens I will no longer be a fan of the show because the hate mongers would have won and I do not want to be counted among the haters. So I hope they work it out and Isaiah stays and the whole thing is allowed to die down and disappear.
January 20th, 2007 5:11 PM
"His comments to Access Hollywood's Nancy O'Dell and Billy Bush and his persistent insistence that he did not use the word completely evaporated any credibility he may have had."
He did not say he didn't use the word, Milly. Go back and listen again. He said he did not call TR a faggot. TR didn't even say Isaiah called him a faggot. He said he overheard Isaiah use that word in an argument referring to him. Is there some reason that you do not want to see the difference? Is there something that you have against Isaiah other than using an ugly word in an argument?
January 20th, 2007 5:17 PM
Gina, I'm sorry you feel you have to yell. Do you know Isaiah? He is a graduate from Howard University. I believe he is educated enough to write his own heart felt apology. I have no reason to doubt his sincerity and neither do you.
"BUT ALSO FOR THOSE WHO STRUGGLE WITH THE DAY TO DAY HATE THAT IS DISHED OUT LEFT AND RIGHT BY SOCIETY AS A WHOLE"
Who is dishing out the hate now and who is it directed at? Isaiah's comments were never filled with hate towards TR. They were even directed at TR.
Isaiah cannot be replaced as Burke. The character is too much ingrained by the nuances that this actor has brought to the part. It is time for the fans of GA to get a grip and a little better perspective on what happened.
January 20th, 2007 6:11 PM
all of you should be ashamed of yourselves. are you even diehard grey fans to begin with? so IW says the f-word. . .big deal! i say rubbish now & again. . .at work, sometimes at home, when i'm in the car, etc. . .but that shouldn't result in a termination. . .that's jst ludicrous!
"ppl who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"
January 20th, 2007 6:24 PM
THIS COMMENT TO DIRECTED TO BURKE BACKER
YES I DID KNOW THAT IW WAS A GRADUATE OF HARVARD, WHICH DOES NOT IMPRESS ME A BIT. YOU WOULD THINK THAT SUCH AN EDUCATED MAN WOULD BE ABLE TO COME UP SOMETHING MORE CREATIVE. AS FOR ME "KNOWING " HIM , NO I DONT KNOW HIM NOR DO I WANT TO, I BELIEVE SOMEONE ELSE WROTE THAT APOLOGY, EVEN THE PRESIDENT HAS SOMEONE WHO WRITES HIS SPEECHES. I HAVE LOST EVER BIT OF RESPECT FOR THE GUY(IW) AND NOTHING YOU (BURKE BACKER) CAN SAY OR TYPE TO CHANGE MY MIND. IVE READ YOUR COMMENTS, I RESPECT YOUR COMMENTS, DO EVERYONE A FAVOR AND RESPECT THIERS POSTED HERE ALSO.
January 20th, 2007 7:29 PM
He did not say he didn't use the word, Milly. Go back and listen again. He said he did not call TR a faggot. TR didn't even say Isaiah called him a faggot. He said he overheard Isaiah use that word in an argument referring to him. Is there some reason that you do not want to see the difference? Is there something that you have against Isaiah other than using an ugly word in an argument?
Is the difference between "calling" someone that word and "referring" to someone as that word significant? Whether or not he said to his face or behind his back does not change anything, IMO. The meaning is intact; it is the same.
Anyway, I certainly did not come here to change anyone's opinion, only to express mine, which leads to confusion when reading both your questions, particularly: "Is there something that you have against Isaiah other than using an ugly word in an argument?" Honestly, that doesn't deserve an answer. Obviously I think that his comments and his behaviour thereafter are enough. If the cast and crew collectively choose to forgive him and keep him, then that's a different story. And I commend and praise Katherine Heigl for expressing her opinion about IW's rehashing the topic all over again as "not okay." She stood up for TR and it was a fabulous moment.
This is a tense topic and people will naturally disagree, but it is possible to express our opinions without asking, IMO, questions of that nature to other commentators. It makes this environment all the more negative. I'd rather agree to disagree and leave it at that. :)
January 20th, 2007 7:36 PM
"I RESPECT YOUR COMMENTS, DO EVERYONE A FAVOR AND RESPECT THIERS POSTED HERE ALSO"
Exactly. No one here should feel ashamed of themselves for having an opinion (good for you for having one!). It is about IW and the controversy, not about the commentators.
January 21st, 2007 2:25 AM
"Is the difference between "calling" someone that word and "referring" to someone as that word significant? Whether or not he said to his face or behind his back does not change anything"
I completely agree with you. Whether he said it to his face or behind his back is irrelevant because he still said it and it was still refering to T.R. On top of the fact that he was fighting with another castmate. I don't understand why another castmate has to be brought into a fight that doesn't involve him.
And I go back to my comment about the n-word. Both are deeming words and to certain types of people both are offensive. I'm sure that IW as at least once in his life been called the n-word and I'm sure that he didn't like it. So why would he call T.R. the f-word? Obviously, T.R. isn't going to like being called that either.
I also don't understand why this had to be brought up again months later. I'm sure the situation hadn't calmed on set but it had calmed in the media and by IW taking the mic and talking about it again it's brought it all into the lime light.
I will continue to watch Grey's whether IW is fired or not. I love the show and since he isn't the reason I watch I could really careless whether he is there or not. I don't necessarly think he should be fired but I do think that something should be done rather than just a public apology. They've basically given him a slap on the wrist and said, "don't do it again." That's not right! That pretty much portrays to the fans of the show and the people that know about this fight that it is okay to call someone an offensive name when it's not.
My point with the n-word argument was that people would be making a bigger deal had IW been called the n-word than they are now. Somebody would've definately been punished for it in some way. After all the creator of Grey's made a bigger deal when this first happened and people suggested firing IW and replacing him with another black actor. She said something along the lines that she was appalled that viewers would think that it's perfectly normal to replace one black actor with another.
And I agree with Kitty6464, T.R. has been the bigger man in all this because in this day an age you could sue for defamation of character and he hasn't. The most he's done is gone on Ellen DeGeneres to talk about it. Well IW talked about it on Opera so isn't that about the same thing. Both went to go talk about it on the show they felt the most comfortable on.
January 21st, 2007 1:10 PM
well, i didn't format that message well, but you get the point. here is the one with girls and george
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sotAfH4BJQ
January 21st, 2007 1:50 PM
I do respect the people on this website and their opnions even when I don't agree with them. Some people, however, post inaccurate information about what happened and make absolutely hateful comments about Isaiah Washington based on information that is at best only partially known. It is clear that Isaiah and TR have a different version of what happened back in October. It would be great if they could work out between themselves what actually happened and why and get past it. Isaiah should not have used the term he used whether to someone else or to TR. If TR was offended by the use of the word it might have been better to discuss it with Isaiah and get it worked out rather than having a press conference to talk about being gay and talking about it again on a talk show. Neither man has acted in the best interest of the show and the fans, and in my opinion Katherine Heigl does not help by taking sides. These are both her castmates. She told Ellen initially that she wasn't on the set. It is sad all the way around and I hope they come to terms with it and move on so that we can, too.
Milly, I do think there is a difference. I don't think Isaiah would have used that word to TRs face, because I don't think he is a hateful man who would have set out to hurt TR. He should not have used the word at all, I agree with you. But, yes, I do think there is a difference because the hurt was unintentional and not directed at TR.
January 21st, 2007 5:59 PM
I wonder if BB is a close personal friend of IW, or how she can read his mind.
It seems to me she thinks she knows what his intent was, when he himself says he can't explain it.
Others react to what they saw on Golden Globes night. If IW himself can admit in a statement that he marred what should have been a great evening for the cast, why can't she? If he says he regrets what he did, why does BB keep saying it was unintentional, and so on and so forth...
January 21st, 2007 8:34 PM
Thank you "Burke Backer". In light of your response, allow me to clear up something.
Whether or not the intention was negative, has no bearing on the fact that it caused a social disruption. As mild as it may seem to some, it is important to others who says what, and why they say it. The art of free speech, like anything else, has its loopholes. IW found it necessary to use that right and say something that would later be seen as inappropriate. We are granted free speech with the hope that we as adults will understand that everything, including words, have their place in society.
Regardless of his motive, regardless of his mindset at the time of the incident, the comment was said not only once, but twice; in two different settings and seasons, by the same person. It's not so bad that he uttered this tasteless and ignorant word, but the fact that it had "supposedly" been quashed and then it was repeated some 4 months later is really what created the hooplah.
If it matters to you the intent of a person's actions, remember that the next time you hear about someone having a car accident and fleeing the scene. They probably didn't mean to run into someone, but if they run and cower, then it's obvious they had no "intent" on owning to it, either. Think about it. IW said it, then he apologized. He brought it up again. Not T.R., nor anyone else from the show mentioned that word again. IW brought it up at a photo shoot that should have been for the celebration of the show's success. Nobody asked him anything....HE SAID IT AGAIN ON HIS OWN!!
If he's that hungry for attention, he's in the right business, but he needs to exercise a little class.
Thank you and good nite.
January 21st, 2007 8:49 PM
T.R. was a complete...COMPLETE (I say) gentleman. You can never tell a person's character until they are made to respond to something. He proved to me that he's got class. The comment in question was discussed and it was decided by T.R. that it was nothing to get worked up over. Yes, it was painful, and as an "educated" man, I find it hard to believe that IW could've even thought about the word without associating pain with it.
It's a DERROGATORY word. With education, knowledge is supposed to ensue. With knowledge, comes compassion and understanding. With compassion and understanding, comes patience and tolerance.
Unless IW is from another planet, he is, by right, a poor representative for Harvard.
I'm sorry, I like the guy, but I despise his action, and I am ashamed of him for denying his fault and
later trying to gain acceptance by "dramatically" apologizing, only after the ABC head officers get involved.
Had the shoe been on the other foot; all hell would still be breaking loose. Everybody from Al Sharpton to Rosa Parks' grandchildren would be shaken by such bitterness and disrespect.
Television has created a great deal of entertainment, but it has also caused a great deal of discomfort among those of us who are trying to preserve the humanity between men.
There are plenty of things in this country for us to be "rattled" about; but this is just proof that even a seemingly small comment can make ripples in an already-disturbed pond.
To Shonda, I hope this can be resolved and things can get back to normal. It does mean alot to some of us that language has truly gone too far.
January 21st, 2007 9:18 PM
Hi Fran, I think he is very sorry for marring what should have been a happy occasion by responding to the reporter. I also think he is very sorry that anyone thinks he intentionally set out to hurt TR Knight. Nothing that I have said is inconsistent with Isaiah's apology.